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I'd say mythology is mythology because we can actually disproove the stories it feeds us without chance for reproval..since noone follows it.

As for Christianism - I see a lot of claims against it that make just as much sense as the babbling of fanatical followers that don't try to understand anything.
Christianity in its basis should not worry about the mythological part - the main point is in Christs TEACHINGS. Everything else you might as well call marketing. The comming of Christ might not have saved us from a sin we never performed, but it does give us a chance to save ourselves from sin we might have otherwise performed..or at least from that sort of harm, since sin is supposedly not a sin if done unaware - another contradiction of the first sin, since Adam and Eve could not have known it was a sin before gaining that knowledge after they performed it.

Of course the religions that claim to be christianic did screw this up, preferring to have something shiny to bow down to.

Please tell - if Christianity says "treat not others how you would not like to be treated yourself" and especially "you shall not kill" - then how the heck are crusades, spanish inquisition and witch hunts christianic?

:O Bill Nye!

Who doesn't remember this guy from science class in middle school?

Bill Nye on Creationism.

He may be technically incorrect about creationists being unable to become scientifically literate or succeeding in other unrelated fields of science, but the general idea here I fully agree with.

Christianity is a faith based on two ideals. Forgiveness and tolerance. Which is funny considering there is many ignorant followers of the faith, although there is many good people who do embody the ideals of the faith. As for christianity and science coexisting, well its coexisting now isn't it? People will always hold onto an ideal if its embedded enough in them. Humans are stubborn like that. For people who do not support the theorem of evolution and science in general that is there choice, in my eyes as long as they don't wave their opinions and try to force them into our faces I could care less. We shouldn't attempt to do the same either if they are unwilling, let them come willingly.

Besides, ideals and faiths, scientific beliefs or opinions in general are like a penis. You can have one, but please don't wave it in public and don't shove it down my child's throat.

Christianity is a faith based on two ideals. Forgiveness and tolerance.

Which is funny considering there is many ignorant followers of the faith, although there is many good people who do embody the ideals of the faith

As for christianity and science coexisting, well its coexisting now isn't it?

People will always hold onto an ideal if its embedded enough in them. Humans are stubborn like that.

For people who do not support the theorem of evolution and science in general that is there choice, in my eyes as long as they don't wave their opinions and try to force them into our faces I could care less.

We shouldn't attempt to do the same either if they are unwilling, let them come willingly.

Besides, ideals and faiths, scientific beliefs or opinions in general are like a penis.

ou can have one, but please don't wave it in public and don't shove it down my child's throat.

GOD CREATED THE WORLD AND THE BIBLE HAS BEEN supported by EVERY ARTIFACT RELATING TO IT

I wonder why Creationism is so strong in America, when in Europe, a "Post-Christian" mindset is all in the rage. Cultural differences? Could the Puritan nature of the Founding Fathers really have left such a grim mark on the nation centuries later?

I wonder why Creationism is so strong in America, when in Europe, a "Post-Christian" mindset is all in the rage. Cultural differences? Could the Puritan nature of the Founding Fathers really have left such a grim mark on the nation centuries later?

GOD CREATED THE WORLD AND THE BIBLE HAS BEEN supported by EVERY ARTIFACT RELATING TO IT

How is ignorance tied to forgiveness and tolerance?

I thought you just said that Christianity was getting along fine with science?

If the truth is known, it should be shared. A truth like the origin of the species should be shared as fact, with the opposing and incorrect viewpoints exposed as incorrect. That is how science works, that is how we advance.

No. Scientific beliefs don't fit in their at all.

Since apparently science kills children?

It isn't. You missed my point. I said I find it funny, ironic how a faith which is supposedly structured around forgiveness and tolerance, has so many people within that faith who are ignorant and intolerant. It is a case of irony my good sir.

I said coexisting, coexisting doesn't mean they are cooperative. If they weren't cooexisting, one of them would have destroyed the other by now wouldn't it? it may be in the process of that, but currently they are co existing. And the scientific community has the edge right now, considering the human race's dependance upon technology.

Of course, let it be shared. When I say don't force an opinion on people, I mean an OPINION. Such as, "religion is for the ignorant." It is an opinion, one that may be based upon keen observation, but it is not a established fact. I never said, keep your factual information to yourself. By all means share it.

My point with that as well is, don't bother giving information to people who are ignorant of your ideals. If they choose to ignore your information, don't bother. If they want to learn they will listen. If they want to be left behind so be it.

Beliefs. I did not say, scientific facts. A scientific belief is a theory or theorem that has yet to be proven by valid experimentation. We cannot prove per say, string theory at this point or very high end physics, we can't even say life is outside our planet yet. Due to our experimentation so far, we can estimate, if only that, that there is a possibility of life beyond our own planet. We cannot say there is life outside our planet as a fact yet though. An example of a scientific belief is I believe there is life outside our own planet, but my belief in that isn't proven. So until I find proof, I won't bother sharing it to people who are not interested in discussing it.

No, science doesn't kill children, the actions of ignorant people soliciting unproven, radical ideas and change or
constrictive laws or traditions within a faith harm or even kill them. An example of radical change causing great harm? Look at the Middle East. Many nations are changing their political systems in a rapid hurry and it's brought nothing but bloodshed and misery. Want constrictive laws in tradition/faith? Look at the Amish in America, they live in isolated communities with repressive leadership, which has caused grief and suicide.

As for my analogy that beliefs, ideals and faith are like a penis, it is a accurate if lewd comparitive. We can be proud of it. We can have it. But please don't use to to shove it into other's unwillingly and force it upon them. If they want to hear about it great, if they don't , let them be ignorant.

Since when was it structured around forgiveness and tolerance?

So you are saying give up against people who I would actually want to argue against? It is pointless and useless to argue against someone who already believes the same as you, and if you don't believe the same as me you are likely wrong. If you are wrong, especially in a religious way, then you are either ignorant of the truth or directly ignoring the truth. By this logic, no one would be able to debate on this forum.

We aren't made perfect.
god is perfect.
god made us in his image.
we are perfect.
or god failed. what makes god not perfect.

you know god could have made us in most of his image but purpesly made us not perfect

To answer that question you have to look at it in the full story, not just that one statement. God did make us in his image, however he did give us free will to do what we want (including sin)after Adam and Eve sinned there was a punishment (not going into that because I don't want to explain the whole book of Genisis). So as a result of there sinning we still have to work and there is still pain and suffering because we live in a imperfect world. Also, when he died, he did not die so that way our sins would count as nothing, he died so that way our sins could be forgiven (without the sacrafices and such that had to be done before). If you want to go into the evolution side of it, God simply gave animals and plants the ability to adapt to there surroundings think about it... we probably don't look like our original ancestors. I think there is evolution but it can't exist without a creator allowing it.

God did make us in his image, however he did give us free will to do what we want (including sin)after Adam and Eve sinned there was a punishment (not going into that because I don't want to explain the whole book of Genisis). So as a result of there sinning we still have to work and there is still pain and suffering because we live in a imperfect world.

Also, when he died, he did not die so that way our sins would count as nothing, he died so that way our sins could be forgiven (without the sacrafices and such that had to be done before).

I think there is evolution but it can't exist without a creator allowing it.