we are talking about usa here remember. not switzerland or austria.
Think what you want. Take almost any 8-9 year old and ask them what you should not do with a gun and I'll bet they can give pretty comprehensive answers.
but your response is that everyone should have a gun to gun down these people.
No, it's not. This is what I'm talking about with you either/or attitude. It's not a case of guns being illegal and no one having them and guns being legal and everyone having them.
My stance is that more gun control would help, but making guns flat out illegal is going to cause as many problems as it could potentially fix. I'm not advocating everyone walking around with concealed firearms. I'm also saying that with the proper training and qualifications it can help in dire situations.
Making stuff illegal doesn't get rid of it. It just makes it so any law abiding citizen won't have one.
my response is that we do nothing at that moment and go to the police who has the job to go after these people.
starting to see the difference now?
My response is virtually the same, except I'm not naive. The police can't be everywhere at once, and if people want to go through what should be a strenuous background checks and proper training courses to own a gun then they should be allowed to.
Of course it should be left to the police when possible, but this isn't a perfect world.
the different weapon makes it a different game.
Yes, it does. Your point being? A crime is still a crime whether it's carried out with a gun or a knife. Obviously a gun is considered to be the more dangerous weapon. However, the point you're missing is that THE CRIMINAL DOESN'T CARE IF THE WEAPON THEY HAVE IS LEGAL OR NOT. They're going to use what they can get their hands on.
IF you were arguing that there should be more gun control in general, I would agree with you. You're not, however. You seem to think that labeling something as illegal will fix it. That might have worked, if it had been done 300 years ago before mass production was implemented.
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I'll assume you mean ignorance. How am I being ignorant? You seem to think that anyone who takes a self defense course or two can suddenly disarm any attacker barehanded. That's what is ignorant.
ive grown over the crime (as you can't change that 1.2.3.) and issue the way it's done. (or better how the prevention of crime is done)
So since baby crap green spray paint is a more hideous color that means that all spray paint that color should be banned because it can be used for more obnoxious graffiti? That's basically what you're arguing.
A crime is a crime. A murder is a murder. Whether it was done with a gun or knife does not change the fact that someone was robbed or killed.
Yes, a gun is more dangerous that a knife.
No, making guns illegal does not help anything.
and you seem to deny the fact that it does happen. even if it's just 1 out of 10.000. it would safe 1.
It would save one from a gunshot death, perhaps.
That doesn't mean that death wouldn't have happened in some other way.
Basically, all you're doing is arguing that a crime committed with a gun is somehow worse than a crime committed with any other type of weapon.
(home made bomb? that not a moment thing. if you have a bomb in house for the moment you might lose controle over yourself then you belong in the soft room of a institute allready)
It was just a list of other types of weapons. I'll grant that making a bomb isn't something you do on the spur of the moment.
are you trying to be stupid now?
I'm glad you think that reasoning is stupid.
Now if you could just pull out a mirror...because that's exactly what you're arguing. It doesn't matter if a murder is committed by a gun or a knife, there was still a murder.
Also, again, making guns illegal does not get rid of them.
you want to reduce the crime/violence over night.
Of course I want to, that doesn't mean I think that can happen.
Anyways, your solution of making guns illegal falls more into that category than what I think needs to be done.
i discuss this so that more people can get the opportunity to fight back or atleast give them a higher chanch of surviving when they become victim.
Yes, I get that's what you want. I'm telling you that making guns illegal doesn't change that.
The UK is an ENTIRELY different place than the USA. Guns are prevalent here. You want to shut the barn door after the horse, cows, chickens and even cockroaches have already run out. It won't change anything.
I've said this before, in a perfect world, no guns would be better.
We do not live in that world.I'm not arguing with you that guns are more dangerous. I'm not arguing with you that guns are often more lethal. I'm not arguing with you that less guns is better.
What I am arguing with you is that making guns illegal will fix nothing.because guns are illegal i go stick a knife into someone?
where is the logic in this assumption of yours?
I didn't mean dead. If you know the other person is unarmed, you're more likely to get into a fight with them. Doesn't matter if you have a weapon or not, this is just a general thing. You don't mess with the guy who's armed.
[quote]because guns are illegal doesn't make the population more violent.
No, it doesn't. What it does do is lower inhibitions because there's less of a threat. A woman who -might- have a gun in her purse is much less of a target than a woman who is entirely unarmed.
the violency is in your culture. that will need a longer time to get out. prohibiting guns wont change that instantly.
It won't just not change it instantly, it won't affect it at all.
the moment you wanted money back for the weapons
Doesn't make any sense, since you started griping about America before I even said that.
the usa is a big player in that. dont be so tip-toed.
I'm not arguing that. That isn't what we're talking about though. You simply used it as yet another ad hominem and a red herring to boot.
