Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.) I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons. Supporting evidence: the following skit: What's your reason? Setting: A gun shop, modern day. A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please." The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?" The Customer says "I need one for personal protection." The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell." The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!" The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left. Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun." Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks. The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting." The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy. The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states. The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff. Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says. The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot! The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet. The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!" The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves. Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says. The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other". "Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly. The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer. "Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows. "Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"
Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!
The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?
I don't think that did much to argue. Sure, sometimes being a smartass helps in an argument, but probably not here.
The point is..the argument that anti-gun laws aren't going to stop criminals (because they'd break them anyways) is the same logic as saying having laws aren't going to stop criminals (because they'd break them anyways).
The point is..the argument that anti-gun laws aren't going to stop criminals (because they'd break them anyways) is the same logic as saying having laws aren't going to stop criminals (because they'd break them anyways).
I know that. I'm just saying it probably won't get to him. He thinks in the mentality that criminals are willing to break any law, so obviously whatever you're going to say is going to be misunderstood or demeaned by him. Not saying he's dumb, but he has a different worldview.
He thinks in the mentality that criminals are willing to break any law, so obviously whatever you're going to say is going to be misunderstood or demeaned by him. Not saying he's dumb, but he has a different worldview.
Ah..so even more of a reason for me to be a sarcastic smartass =D
Banning guns will only harm the people who follow the laws. Criminals are already breaking laws, so why would they listen to the anti-gun laws?
This line of thinking implies that availability of guns stays the same. But restriction measures should apply on that level too, of course. You cannot say to people, "buy less guns" and still offer ****loads of them all the same.
I'd much rather have a gun in the house and feel safe then not have a gun and know there's a potential that a criminal could break in with a gun. I'd like to be on even grounds at least with the criminal in question. And if the criminal doesn't have a gun, well then you're in control of the situation. But if you don't have a gun and they do...
Yeah,even old people hang out on AG. Hey what I am doing here? Who are you? Help there's a stranger in my house! What, you're my GF? Oh darn, I lost my mind again, let's go buy a gun! No I don't have Alzheimer, I'm just old! Zzzzz (the old man fell asleep).
no one here on armor games has a gun un less again you are way too old t be playing armor games
In my state, you can legally go hunting with a long-gun with close parental supervision by age 10 and hunt on your own with a rifle or shotgun by 14 after passing a safety class.
I'd much rather have a gun in the house and feel safe then not have a gun and know there's a potential that a criminal could break in with a gun. I'd like to be on even grounds at least with the criminal in question. And if the criminal doesn't have a gun, well then you're in control of the situation. But if you don't have a gun and they do...
If it makes you feel safe... but again, you're risking your life, so in fact it's more likely to be less safe. Whereas if you just stay in your bed and call the police without the criminal noticing, he might get caught and trialed and you keep your stuff.
If it makes you feel safe... but again, you're risking your life, so in fact it's more likely to be less safe. Whereas if you just stay in your bed and call the police without the criminal noticing, he might get caught and trialed and you keep your stuff.
True, but what if he finds you calling the police from your bed or he seeks you out in the first place? I'd like to be able to know that I have a gun to defend myself from said lawbreaker, and then I would be more safe because normal people aren't willing to risk their life for some goods from a house.
True, but what if he finds you calling the police from your bed
95% of the burglars dont go up stairs.. and if you live on 1 floor then most do not seek in bedrooms.
or he seeks you out in the first place?
is there any reason for someone to seek you in your sleep? the chance this will happen to a random person is so small that it wont beat up against the harm done by them accidentally.
normal people aren't willing to risk their life for some goods from a house.
exactly. why do you want to risk your life for some stupid material stuff, by being on the same hights with the lawbreaker with your gun? said lawbreaker will start shooting faster when he sees you have a gun because he doesn't want to be shot. turning the situation ugly in a sec. while if you just co-operate with him and simply give what he needs. then you get out alive and the police will have to start the investigation. i c no need for one to try to play the hero for some stupid stuff.
(beside, small criminals wont have guns when they are outlawed. and those criminals that do have a gun are more easy to find.)
and if you live on 1 floor then most do not seek in bedrooms.
Why not? That's where all the jewelry usually is.
is there any reason for someone to seek you in your sleep?
So there's no chance of someone identifying him or reporting what happened or calling the police or disturbing him while he does whatever he wants. Perhaps it's not just a robbery and they want you dead.
while if you just co-operate with him and simply give what he needs. then you get out alive and the police will have to start the investigation.
Yeah right. No guarantee they won't cap you in the head on their way out.
Yeah right. No guarantee they won't cap you in the head on their way out.
Plus they may never find the guy or your stuff. They're not going to look super hard or set a ton of resources for missing junk when there are druggies and murderers out there.
(beside, small criminals wont have guns when they are outlawed. and those criminals that do have a gun are more easy to find.)
I actually think it would be the opposite. A criminal would know that no house has a gun, so if he/she has on, he or she would be in control of the situation.
said lawbreaker will start shooting faster when he sees you have a gun because he doesn't want to be shot.
And that's not necessarily true. It could become a shootout, a stalemate, or the criminal leaves because he/she doesn't think bodily harm is worth some stuff.
i c no need for one to try to play the hero for some stupid stuff.
I wouldn't consider it being hero, I would consider it protecting my family and loved ones.
I wouldn't consider it being hero, I would consider it protecting my family and loved ones.
And thats fine if thats what you "consider" it. If that makes you feel safe, go ahead. But just know, that the statistics (which have been discussed at length earlier in this thread, and for my own sheer laziness' sake, I'm not going to retrieve) indicate that it is far more likely that you or a loved one will be shot with your gun than the chances that your gun will be used successfully to defend your self or your home/family. So while you might feel safer, you are actually less safe.
