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I turn my back and this thread jumps nearly 10 pages. I got a lot of reading to do.
Don't you think that the answer, or what would the Christians answer, is obvious?
Let's take gay marriage for an example. Some will say it's okay, other will say it's wrong but it's just as wrong to interfere, still others will protest and do what ever then possibly can to stop such a thing.
If this religion provided such clear cut answers we wouldn't have nearly 34,000 version of Christianity.
Except Jesus condemned the Pharisees for being willing to stone the adulterer in the NT. And besides, the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" not "Thou shalt not kill".
Actually this is all a matter of what version of the Bible you look at.
For example the King James Version.
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But as stated there are numerous points in the Bible where it is condoned by God to commit such an act.
BTW I did a quick check on the Hebrew word that was used and as it turns out the word kill/murder here is interchangeable. It can also mean to slay or dash to pieces.
it was symbolic that a useless tree is the same as a lazy Christian who doesn't do any work for the Lord.
If that's the case it was a really piss poor example.
I don't mind if you point out the bible being BS, but again, most theists don't pay attention to the versus that they disagree with.
That's the point of pointing this stuff out, because it's often not payed attention to.
The fact that we have a Bible that matches up so well with the Dead Sea scrolls? If the Bible's meaning isn't manipulated and diluted over one to two thousand years, I doubt Moses could have changed the meaning in the 900 years of his life.
Actually no it doesn't match up with the dead sea scrolls.
We actually don't have original texts of the Bible. The closest are the Dead Sea Scrolls, but even here they are just copies of copies, of copies, etc.
I'm sorry, I got Moses mixed up with Noah (I'm tired) Moses lived to be less than 150...I can't remember the exact number.
Either way, seriously, and you wonder why this get's called BS?
Ever think of eggs and babies?
Still not big enough. Also on another note since we have a timeline fro how long they were all on that boat 40 day 40 nights + 150 while waiting for the water to go away. 190 days would be plenty of time for many of those species to get rather large.
Microevolution FTW!
WHAT!?
1 word (and an article): The firmament. There was water in the sky. A lot of it.
That much water in the sky would blot out the sun.
The antediluvian earth was a totally different beast than it was today. A lot of the water is what we call oceans today. Some of it evaporated, some receded into the oceans, a lot emptied into caves and underground caverns, some may have formed the ice caps and glaciers. Besides, they were in the ark for a looong time, plenty for the waters to recede.
No, just no, There is not enough water on this planet to cause a global flood.
Genesis 7
11In the six hundredth year of Noah�s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the(G) fountains of the great deep burst forth, and(H) the windows of the heavens were opened.
There was an actual window, up in the sky?
2 The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, 3and the waters receded from the earth continually. At the end of 150 days the waters had abated,...
That's a lot of water to recede in such a short period of time. As already stated there isn't enough water on the planet for a global flood. So where did it all go? Also Where are these great fountains BTW?
(Genesis 621 "You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.'
And where the hell is Noah going to put all that food since there is clearly already space issues for just the animals (yes even if they were babies)
I've been looking for the thing about the mountains, but I can't seem to find anything... But anyone should know that floodwaters can do amazing things. They can make valleys, canyons... Mountains. There is a theory involving a supercontinent, Pangaea, that the flood caused Pangaea to separate into our seven continents. I don't know much about that, though.
No, plate tectonics caused the break up of Pangaea. As indicated by your link.
There is no geological evidence that the entire planet had flooded.
Irreducible Complexity
That is just a small piece of information that Mark Cahill provides.
There isn't anything that we have found that is irreducibly complex.
They weren't humans, for crying out loud.
Just to give you one example a baby elephant eats 200-300 pounds a day figuring the elephant wasn't one of the lucky ones to get a seat for seven on the arc that's at least 76,000 pound of food for just one species.
But really feeding the animals is just the first of the problems. If we look at the issue from a genetic perspective there simply isn't enough genetic diversity if you drop a species down that low. If a species is dropped to such a low population that it is forced to inbreed this will show clearly in that species genes.
Here is a video giving just one example of what we would see if this was the case.
Noah's Ark and the Cheetah
...what are you talking about? Let me simplify it for you:
Water in the sky.
God makes water fall from sky.
Water floods earth.
Folk die.
I will simplify as well.
Water in the sky.
Not enough light would get through.
There would be no "folk die" because this planet wouldn't be able to support such life with out sunlight.
Correction: Pangaea existed 6,000 years ago.
The oldest human civilization dates back to at least 10,000 years ago.
Have you guys ever heard of the story of Jesus feeding the five thousand? He took a little boys lunch, multiplied it by several thousand, and still had some left over. Supernatural, say? Like, the flood...
Seriously your best argument is "it's magic"?
May I add: Darwin himself said that he knew that his theory could be tossed, according to the 'missing links'. He said there should be millions upon millions of them, and yet we haven't found one. He also said that
Been over this, we have the fossils, we win.
Anyway here's a nice little video covering just the math involved in such a flood.
The Math of the Great Flood
Yet they still can't be proven false; when debating religions it isn't possible to debate the validity of a religion based solely on whether or not it can be objectively proven.
Actually it's very easy to disprove the validity of a religion. What's not easy is getting those who believe in that religion to accept it.