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kiddslayer12
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I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.

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Parsat
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choazmachine
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I live in a Christian family, and I know that Christianity is when people believe that everything in the world was made by god, and Atheism is when people believe that everything was made by usually science. I believe in Christianity, but I do believe that Science made everything as well.


Atheism-
noun
the theory or belief that God does not exist.

Atheism is from a greek word atheos: a- without, theos- gof
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So, where does science and Atheism connect?
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Most theists I've talked to all agree that religion and science are mutually compatible. Atheists, for the most part, have no religion and are confined to filling the whole with empty philosophy and science.

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So, where does science and Atheism connect?


Most scientist are smart. So they don't just believe everything they hear, so they are almost always atheist. Like if you were a rich banker, you are probably a Jew.
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Atheists are moral without the fear of spiritual retribution.


This argument always gets to me. Where else would our morals come from if there is no higher order? If morals are a social construct, why the need to follow them?
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do unto others as you would have done unto you.

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This argument always gets to me. Where else would our morals come from if there is no higher order? If morals are a social construct, why the need to follow them?


Culture.

A culture formed a nation and got together to establish some rules, based on what they believed were morally incorrect. Most involved murdering and stealing, but some laws were different than others. They differed in punishments too, some that were morally incorrect to others, but were fine to them. This is all what morals and laws come into play. The higher order? Government. Society. A group of council members, people that assumed the job of law and order. These are the people that you should thank for (trying to) keeping the world in line
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Not only must there be enough molecules, they must be arranged correctly, in simple helical structure, and in a pattern that will most likely produce a protein.
I really wish there was a listed fallacy for that. Or maybe there is. Anyways, we wouldn't exist if it wasn't arranged like that. Say in the Hypothetico galaxy, there is a .00000000000001% chance of a planet holding life. But there are 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 planets. There is life on planet Zarquon, and the inhabitants share a similar doubt. But what they don't realize is that the other 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,998 planets had the same chances. And they failed. There's nothing there to say this besides the absence of life itself. There doesn't have to be anything magical or special; there's a 1-((1-.0000000000000001)^999999999999999999999999)% chance that there would be life. And we're talking about this over a number of galaxies and over time. Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you.

But I digress. I think the most relevant topic for debate is which is more beneficial for the believer. I take Paolini's view on this. Life is better when you're an atheist because you're free. With the Christian view of free will, God says, "You can do anything you want, but if you do something I don't like, I'll torture you for eternity. Have fun!"
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I take Paolini's view on this. Life is better when you're an atheist because you're free. With the Christian view of free will, God says, "You can do anything you want, but if you do something I don't like, I'll torture you for eternity. Have fun!"


YESYESYES!!!!!
So true.

Lets face facts
If you gave an Atheist and a Christian the same exact job with the same exact hourly wage, which would have the higher income?

the Atheist

Why? They can work on Sundays!
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A culture formed a nation and got together to establish some rules, based on what they believed were morally incorrect.


How does a culture develop its moral grounds? From where does it derive a moral compass? That's what I would like to know. It's my opinion that there's something intrinsic that tells us what is right and what is wrong, even without a societal compass.

But I digress. I think the most relevant topic for debate is which is more beneficial for the believer. I take Paolini's view on this. Life is better when you're an atheist because you're free. With the Christian view of free will, God says, "You can do anything you want, but if you do something I don't like, I'll torture you for eternity. Have fun!"


With the Christian view of free will, God says, "I give you the choice to choose what you want, because you are free. But if you choose something wrong in my sight, you will be punished, because I am fair."

I fail to see how atheism makes you more "free" than anyone else. Free to fill yourself with sin and earthly desire without a qualm in your conscience, yes. Free to do whatever you want, whenever you want it, without a modicum of self control? Sure, if that's what you consider freedom. But when I look at the lives of so many atheists, I see emptiness. They fail to inspire. They fail to lead. They seek to do what is right for them and themselves only. But I do not condone such behavior for myself.

If you gave an Atheist and a Christian the same exact job with the same exact hourly wage, which would have the higher income?
the Atheist
Why? They can work on Sundays!


If your goal is to hoard money in an existence where life is short and money goes to waste after you die anyway, sure you can have a higher income. Besides, there's always a chance to move up, and if the Christian is willing to live in Christ's example, I consider the future brighter for them than the atheist.
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If your goal is to hoard money in an existence where life is short and money goes to waste after you die anyway, sure you can have a higher income. Besides, there's always a chance to move up, and if the Christian is willing to live in Christ's example, I consider the future brighter for them than the atheist.


It's going to really suck for you when you find out there is no afterlife.
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i think there is a god, u have to believe in something

Talo
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no you don't

Parsat
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It's going to really suck for you when you find out there is no afterlife.


If there isn't, I don't suppose I'll be able to realize it. If there is, there's nothing to lose. Pascal's wager again. Why take the risk?
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