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Wait. I can compare...just need to do more math.

Okay.

The "Old Version" Grade 50.



The "New Version" Grade 50.



Grade 50 Old Mana: 31.627 billion
Grade 50 Old Bloodbound: 350.43

New one's bloodbound: 315.89 - 13.12 = 302.77

302.77 / 315.89 = What We Multiply Mana Gain By.

302.77 / 315.89 = x0.9584

Grade 50 New Mana(with -1 hit level) : 35.467 billion * 0.9584 = 33.991 mana leech.

Both, no amps. G50 New Mana is Better By: 7.4%.

Quite a bit of improvement, when you reach say the trillions. Worth it? YEP.

So, do it the specced way, but combine with O and Specced OB instead of O and B. Better result(probably only because double-specced, but still).

With amps...whee mana.

Grade 60



Mana gain is still going strong. This might be the best combo lol.

New goal: Get amps to level 58 and watch half+ quadrillion per frame come in.

3600ish might be the level needed for all 45s, but many of them are absolutely worthless so ill keep them at level 1. (green gem skill for example) so in reality its more around 3k to get all maxp + have some decent start mana

side now, whats your stating mana at?

It's at 55K from skillpoints, 10000(? around so) from % to wizard level fragments, 1500 from fragment starting mana.

So about 67K starting. You? :P

Maxed skills: True Colors, Masonry, Fusion, Resonance, Mana Leech, Critical Hit, Freeze, Beam, Chain Hit, Barrage, Bloodbound, Wake of Eternity, Amplifiers, Traps.

ive been staying at about 20k, finally running out of thigns to spend points on though so thats about to climb. only maxing yellow black red orange as far as colors

Im level 3337 and my chain hit skill is at 0. In fact if I could reduce its effectiveness by spending skillpoints, I would, just to reduce lag.

You can add it by mixing g1 red to g40 O/B. It will reduce its efectiveness

thunderrider - all black amps isn't always better. I got varied results at various gem levels and hit levels. Around lvl 50-60 I saw that all black was king, around 70 I noticed that 4 B/O + 2 B was better, and at 80 I saw that all 6 B/O were better. I'll get some screen shots next time for comparison.

psorek: I know, but the black gems just amplify it like there is no tomorrow... 1k+ multiplier I dont want that for red...

it can't be done better I think. Maybye not using traps and lowering pure colors skill...

Nah, every other method would make manafarm and/or killgem weaker. The only solution is what I wrote to the suggestions thread: limit red gem effectiveness like blue gems.

To get the most mana you need 10k+ chain and 10k targets.

I did some tests, as I wanted to understand better how bloodbound works (which I find to be quite complex).
I thought I share the results ...

My conclusion: Bloodbound could behave a bit like chainhit. You need it in a Gem, but not to much of it. Why? Because the real advantage comes by the amplifiers. If you closely look at the stats, the gain per hitlevel depends much more on the amplifiers than the gem itself. And again the Hitlevel is decisice for the overall bloodbound-multiplier. The higher G's in the amplifiers, the smaller the original bloodboundmultiplier-advantage of a gem with more black in it gets.

What did I do? I used thunders first G9. For the second one I used the base with the two two G1 O's. Then:
+ combined with 2 G3 O
+ combined with 1 G5 O, 1 G5 B
+ combined with 2 G7 O
(very much O, just to see what happens ... )

Then I rallied the Hitcount for both gems two 250k (Hitlevel 19).
The resulting gems I amplified once by 6 G7 B, once by 6 G78 B. For the first case the managain-plus of the O-inclined variant is like 15%, in the second case like 19%.

What did I not do? Less black means less chainhitmultiplier (massively less damage too, btw). I did not check how much the decreased Chainhitlength results in less hits per frame...
What else did I do? Amplify partly by BO (specced), or 20/4B, etc. There were some few cases were pure B wasn't the best, but in general I see it as thunder: pure B are the best.


Pics for the G6-amplification:
Original


O-inclined



and for the G78-amplification:
Original


O-inclined



and the basegems:
Original


O-inclined


Quite lenghty all that... Btw: I'm quite sure there are better basegems. The variant I chose was just for gaining some understanding ...
What do you think? Mistakes? Other findings?
I really wonder what will turn out to be the 'best' managaingem ... xD

Yeah, I nowupgrade using specced method with pure O for one and dual OB for the other. Not sure but is there a better combo?

Is this better or worse than normal? I can't tell.

G50 before wave 4.

G60 before wave 7.