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Sorry, I run out of time while editing the post...
Little more explanation:
Let's say, I have 4e33 mana for building my 8 tower-amps
So I have 5e32 for each gem
That would result either in a g103 or g104 normal gem for the amps with the normal damage and special or,
in a supergem-g92 or so (did not calculate the grade/cost) with higher damage and special.
I don't want to have - exaggerated - a g2 killgem and a g10 amp!
Thanks for your combining sheme, but I will take at least for now the other recipe, as I have a yellow g1 with 365k max damage, a black g1 with 196k max damage (and a g2 rb with 3.3bn hits, hitlevel 39!). So I think I would loose a lot of this damage, If I use only two of these great yellow bombs...

And, I can read/parse the parenthesis format, at least for reasonable combining length...

I'm about halfway through dissecting that wall of text that is the untested 512spec. I don't even want to THINK about that 1024combine there...

http://imgur.com/MWsdcXN ...

That should help, Thunderrider. Note the location of the r - if you want to squeeze the red out, replace it with a b. However, with this higha spec, I'm not sure that squeezing the red out is going to provide much of a boon.

The 1024 listed there is somewhat different from the one I'd previously posted an Excel screenshot for. I do not know whether it is more effective or not, but ... I've got the one, I'm not going to convert a second managem 1024 into Excel unless/until someone proves that it is markedly superior.

Well... I just computed 512-spec for managem and 128-spec for killgem. For now I have no idea how to push it further without power of a supercomputer - or two. 1024-combines for both managem and killgem are also ready.

Everything is here, if somebody doesn't remember or don't want to read first post

Ha - One day too late )
Just finished my killgem, I used the 64_256 setup (after second Iteration it was more powerful than the 64_4) with the 256c for killgems... That's what it looks like: http://imgur.com/S8r2fOd
And: I squuezed the red out for the first Iteration only...
Sadly, I had a little error in combining...
g1 yellow: 377k maxdamage
g1 black: 196k max damage
And this is, what my amps look like: http://imgur.com/2ObMTe0

While ieee and I were discussing gem growth in chat, he asked a question:

1,693389931x10¹â·
is this your current orange power? (@G97e)

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how to get there with any algebraic manipulation or having known values in the equation e.g. NT^( ln(I)/ln(N)) in the data tables. At this rate, I would need a complete layout of all steps to know what the proper equation is

Scratch all of that, resolved it in chat

Built Astro's custom 512 spec optimized for 1024 amps:



The 512 spec has a 29% better orange component than the 32 spec v2, even though the 32 spec went through a 16 combine!

I'm impressed that you managed to turn that parenthetical gunk into a gem.

At the request of ieee, I tested both 512-spec gems, such that when paired with their respective amps, both setups will have roughly the same amount of gems.

The 'optimal' 512-spec costs 356,496 mana, amps and gem put through a 7-combine to make the set cost roughly as much as Astro's custom 512-spec. It is 2,592 mana cheaper than the black-focused spec, yet it performs ~24% better!

Great, seeing that my final program gives correct results I've decided to release the final version of all the gemforce results, including the one of my final program:

General repo: https://github.com/gemforce-team/gemforce
Results folder: https://github.com/gemforce-team/gemforce/tree/master/results
Release notes: https://github.com/gemforce-team/gemforce/releases/tag/v1.4

read the release notes and/or the readmes at the various folders to find all the informations you need.

Feel free to comment/ask question on this thread, I'll try to answer when I have time.

For who is still reading, I'd like to say I had a lot of fun with this project and learnt a lot, hope this may be useful also to you guys, I'll now move on to other projects, I'll come back here to check out 1.1 when it will be released.

Goodbye
12345ieee

P.S.: @psorek : can you update the OP to point at this post/include this new info? Thanks.

I'm still not sold on treating the gem and amps as one complete package. Mainly because I've had better results (more monsters killed) when not trying to use deliberately weaker amps. Perhaps it is a failing on my part, to be willing to pay more than the baseline cost-effectiveness in order to achieve more power, but higher amounts of power to require a premium to be paid.

There is a reason that people had been using the same amplifiers and comparing different gems at the same cost. It is not surprising that a low grade gem whose cost is over seven times that of another low grade gem would perform better - regardless of the low grade amps used. Frankly, the only thing this suggests is that it could be better to create a gem that uses all 2770ish gems in the one base setup or all 6566 gems in the other base setup in the base gem, completely ignoring the presence of the amplifiers.

The following collection of images shows how far gemcrafting science has advanced since ieee joined forces with psorek to improve upon what would eventually be called 'gemforce'.

Here's thunder's favorite starter gem and Astro's custom 512-spec.

I then upgraded the gems like so:

For thunder's gem, I used the 64 combine all the way through, squeezing the red until G42e. For Astro's gem, I used the most complicated combination scheme in existence, the 262144 combine, and squeezed the red in a 10:262134 ratio for the first iteration:

Already a 40.1% leech improvement! The bloodbound isn't that much better now, but the next images should highlight the hit-increment difference. Here's the second iteration:

512s-262144 incarnation now 61.78% better. Next iteration:

86.4% more mana! Bloodbound is also noticeably increasing, with a 13% difference at G66e. At G84e...

...we have a 114.4% leech difference as the 512-262144 gem continues to 'run away' from the 32sv2-64 gem. Now for the final iteration!

At this level, the 512-262144 gem leeches 146.6% more mana! Blood on this gem also is improved by 22.2%.

That last gem, combined with (7!) 262144 amps, blew me away with its efficiency, leeching 6.8e22 per target at hit level 41!

What's the U button of the same gem proportion look like?

Theoretical calculations:
Using U combine on the left gem would get you a 17 times weaker one.
Using U combine on the right gem would get you a 34 times weaker one.
Right gem would still prevail by 23%, because of superior speccing method.

Writing "Congratulation borthelcash!" at the end of every post is becoming quite tedious, but what else can I say looking at those?

Congratulation borthelcash, keep kicking the Forgotten's ass for all us.