Forums → WEPR → Can we try to find some positivity? (Current American Political Landscape)

@Hahiha

I could say that 'The land was Palestinian even before the Jews were settled there.' This kind of argumentation is precisely why this conflict is ever ongoing.

Precisely. But, vae victis, woe to the conquered. The Palestinians will have to deal with that.

Also, the ongoing conflict is the result of Britain's division of the Province of Palestine into Palestine and Israel. Blame the Brits!

According to international law.

Well, we are a permanent member of UN. We can do what we want.

Precisely. But, vae victis, woe to the conquered. The Palestinians will have to deal with that.

Also, the ongoing conflict is the result of Britain's division of the Province of Palestine into Palestine and Israel. Blame the Brits!

Well, we are a permanent member of UN. We can do what we want.

Well, we are a permanent member of UN. We can do what we want.

You do realize that's not how this works right?

You can do what you want according to whom? There are laws in place, laws you have to respect as well.

Precisely. But, vae victis, woe to the conquered. The Palestinians will have to deal with that.

Really? "They are stronger and they are conquering the weak and the weak will have to deal with it?" Is it really all that you see in humanity? That "the strong shall eat the weak and that's fine because that's the way life works?"

The same liberals who want to destroy our country are trying to edge us to animosity with Russia.

Russia is the only hope we have of surviving a war with Communist China, we wouldn't hold out against China and Russia combined. In worsening our relations with Russia, the liberals are hoping to create a war.

England, our "great ally" seems to be stirring up trouble for us. One of their spies was conveniently poisoned, just in time to blame it on the Russians.

Winston Churchill "the hero" instigated war with Germany, playing off France, the Soviets, and America. The Polish were about to cede the Danzig Straight to Germany - effectively preventing war - when the Brits issued their war guarantee.

The British are just too happy to play off two countries against one another, and sit back to watch the show.

[...] with Clinton we would be at war.

The Iranian atomic deal did nothing for the United States. We were basically paying them millions of dollars not to do research, and we cannot even inspect to see if the agreement is
being followed. Basically, we are funding their secred research facilities that we may not inspect.

Korea is desperate: they cannot survive under the economic sanctions any longer.

I am an American. Americans don't bribe.

But, vae victis, woe to the conquered.

Well, we are a permanent member of UN. We can do what we want.

@Fishpreferred

1 China isn't communist. It's a capitalist oligarchy.
2 China is not an enemy of the US, and would be extremely reluctant to cut ties with it due to the amount of money it's put into the US economy.C
3 The US does not need Russia in any way. For some odd reason, you're conflating neutrality with a war on two fronts.
4 Most liberals in the actual world have enough sense not to do anything with the US-Russia relationship. The same cannot be said of Trump.

I would say many things to this. First, "capitalist oligarchy" is just another mask for the Communists to hide behind. Their government is nothing different from what they had years ago.
Second, China is actively putting our factories out of business, that is not what a friendly nation does. Third, the US needs Russia if it is to confront the blatant threat that China together with its puppet North Korea poses. Fourt, most liberals are too blind to understand that Russia is a strategic ally for the United States, and it is only with their help that we can secure world stability.

Uh, no. He didn't.

Read this, and preferrably buy the book.

Why, of course! That must be why they never, ever did anything in that war, and suffered practically no casualties. Everything makes sense now.

Britain started a very humble nation, but worked its way up the ladder - a nation of social climbers - siding with the second most powerful country in Europe and fighting against the most powerful, until it reigned supreme. It did this in the Hundred Years War, the Great Northern War, the War of Spanish Succession - where Britain tried to take Spain, which was France's longtime ally -, the War of Austrian Succession, the Seven Years War, etc. Britain has been a climber ever since they conquered Scotland. In World War Two, Britain bit off too much for her plate and suffered heartburn.

Hilary is no genius

All too true.

but she clearly knows better than to just start warring with other countries for the lulz.

Are you implying that our President is looking for a war?

The IAEA does regular inspections and those millions of dollars were Iran's own money that was being held in international banks.

What? Read more upon this subject: the inspections were pre-scheduled and most of that money was ours.

most sanctions against them have met with little or no success

What? Read this.

I would say many things to this. First, "capitalist oligarchy" is just another mask for the Communists to hide behind. Their government is nothing different from what they had years ago.

Second, China is actively putting our factories out of business, that is not what a friendly nation does.

Third, the US needs Russia if it is to confront the blatant threat that China together with its puppet North Korea poses. Fourt, most liberals are too blind to understand that Russia is a strategic ally for the United States, and it is only with their help that we can secure world stability.

Read this, and preferrably buy the book.

Britain started a very humble nation, but worked its way up the ladder - a nation of social climbers - siding with the second most powerful country in Europe and fighting against the most powerful, until it reigned supreme. It did this in the Hundred Years War, the Great Northern War, the War of Spanish Succession - where Britain tried to take Spain, which was France's longtime ally -, the War of Austrian Succession, the Seven Years War, etc. Britain has been a climber ever since they conquered Scotland. In World War Two, Britain bit off too much for her plate and suffered heartburn.

Are you implying that our President is looking for a war?

What? Read more upon this subject: the inspections were pre-scheduled and most of that money was ours.

What? Read this.

@Fishpreferred

A communist society is one that regards all people as equals, and rejects personal wealth in favour of shared work and shared resources.

You are the one who has no idea of what communism is. In a communist society, everyone is equal, but some are just more equal than others.

1 Cornering the market in international trade is not an act of war.
2 It also isn't what a communist nation does.

China is not cornering the market: with government funds, Chinese factories sell goods at a loss until their American counterparts go out of business, then raise the prices again.

I like how you rephrased your initial claim to make it look like a defense for itself. Now, if you had an actual basis for this claim ...

The basis is right in North Korea, with his finger on a nuclear button that does not work.

Still nothing to do with Churchill.

If you read the book like I did, you would see alot of evidence against Churchill.

Oh, neat. So, according to this, most sanctions against North Korea have met with little or no success due to North Korea having an uncommonly independent and self-sustaining economy AND its main trade partner, China, not following through on its planned sanctions. Thanks Ntech!

You're welcome, but you should be smart enough to figure that if they are not financially unstable, then they must be politically or militarily unstable instead.

You are the one who has no idea of what communism is. In a communist society, everyone is equal, but some are just more equal than others.

China is not cornering the market: with government funds, Chinese factories sell goods at a loss until their American counterparts go out of business, then raise the prices again.

The basis is right in North Korea, with his finger on a nuclear button that does not work.

If you read the book like I did, you would see alot of evidence against Churchill.

You're welcome, but you should be smart enough to figure that if they are not financially unstable, then they must be politically or militarily unstable instead.

@Fishpreferred

Again, you only demonstrate your ignorance. A Soviet-style regime is not a communism.

It's communist.

That would be cornering the market.

That would be a government meddling in what is supposed to be free trade, by funding it.

Thank you for confirming that there is no basis.

I take it Kim has died?

In other words, "I forgot to check if what I cited supports my claim, so if it doesn't, I'll just demand that my opponent must go out and find the source material before he can verify that it doesn't".

I have the book on my bookshelf.

So? Have you forgotten that this line of discussion began with you saying "they cannot survive under the economic sanctions any longer", or are you just hoping that I have?

Than explain their moves.

It's communist.

That would be a government meddling in what is supposed to be free trade, by funding it.

I have the book on my bookshelf.

Than explain their moves.

@Fishpreferred

No, it isn't. They just call it communism because it sounds better than totalitarian military regime.

They call themselves communist, so who are you to contradict them?

So?

If a government is meddling in free trade, then we have to level the playing fields for our businesses and companies.

Great. Then you can easily save us both a lot of hassle by providing direct quotes of the material.

Ok. I'll do so in the next post, but it will take some compilation of his arguments.

They call themselves communist, so who are you to contradict them?

If a government is meddling in free trade, then we have to level the playing fields for our businesses and companies.

@Fishpreferred

Me, obviously.

Alright, professor sir. I will trust your credentials and great experience in political science.

No we don't, nor is it an act of war.

We have a responsibility to our citizens not to let them be the victim of trade agressions.

We have a responsibility to our citizens not to let them be the victim of trade agressions.

@Fishpreferred

Meaning that Trump has done the worst possible thing by instigating trade aggressions with various other countries, including Canada, Mexico, and China. Your argument has failed.

Breaking a bad trade agreement does more than it harms.