ForumsWEPRCan we try to find some positivity? (Current American Political Landscape)

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Unbl
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I am a Donald Trump supporter, but the hatred and name calling from both major political parties and candidates was something I personally hoped would come to pass regardless of the result of the election. Unfortunately, it seems that we are still as divided as before the current president was announced. This saddens me, because even though Americans are very discontent with one another, at the end of the day, we are still supposed to all be on the same side. At this point, I just wish we could all at least settle for the common ground of simply being Americans. Any and all thoughts are welcome.

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Boofuss
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Breaking a bad trade agreement does more than it harms.

In this example, how does it do that?

Ntech
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By giving a easier market for our factories and industries.

Boofuss
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While destroying business relations with other countries? We're not in a position to be able to just be self sustaining countries anymore, the world is vastly different from those days where we were self sufficient industries. Having ties with other countries isn't a bad thing at all, importing and exporting of goods and food, not a bad thing at all.

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@Boofuss


While destroying business relations with other countries? We're not in a position to be able to just be self sustaining countries anymore, the world is vastly different from those days where we were self sufficient industries. Having ties with other countries isn't a bad thing at all, importing and exporting of goods and food, not a bad thing at all.

1. The president's responsibility is to this people.
2. We are totally capable of being a self-sustaining nation.
3. I never said that diplomatic or trade ties are wrong, but that unfair ones should be avoided.

Boofuss
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1- Surely "responsibility to this people" is also maintaining good international relations and not burning the bridges with friendly nations? The thing here is that the US isn't an island and impacts the rest of the world whether we want it or not at this point.
2 - Not anymore you're not, the import/export market for most countries now is reliant on other people, the UK especially imports a lot of food, to take away those links leaves a country in turmoil and without any structure to take over.
3 - Unfair how?

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@Boofuss


1- Surely "responsibility to this people" is also maintaining good international relations and not burning the bridges with friendly nations? The thing here is that the US isn't an island and impacts the rest of the world whether we want it or not at this point.

Responsibility to this people means doing what's best for us.


2 - Not anymore you're not, the import/export market for most countries now is reliant on other people, the UK especially imports a lot of food, to take away those links leaves a country in turmoil and without any structure to take over.

I am pointing out that the US can be self-reliant if it wanted to be.


3 - Unfair how?

A diplomatic treaty is unfair if it gives one country an edge over another (less tax on what it exports, for example).

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Responsibility to this people means doing what's best for us.

1 - What's "best for us" isn't isolating yourself from the world economy.

2 - It doesn't have anything in place to be self reliant at all, it would need to be set up alongside existing models.

3 - Most treaties have some sort of cost balancing in place, so exporting certain things or importing certain things doesn't unbalance the economy, that's why those bits are in place.

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@Boofuss


1 - What's "best for us" isn't isolating yourself from the world economy.

He is not isolating us at all.


2 - It doesn't have anything in place to be self reliant at all, it would need to be set up alongside existing models.

We do have some, remnants from a bygone age. But he's going to set up some more!

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We do have some, remnants from a bygone age. But he's going to set up some more!

Really? when? It's been a year and a half of his presidency. Don't see any work going into setting up a strong economy. Or improving relations with Russia for example. You do realize that almost half his tenure is over right?

He is not isolating us at all.

Unless you think that pursuing such aggressive trading policies with other countries is all cool and the gang and that said countries will not view it suspiciously to say the least, then yes, what he is doing is paving the way for isolation.

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