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I'm sorry for the lack of replies but it seem that the forums are pretty dead right now.
Anyway I'm glad you did you research and trusted yourself to make your own choice.

I love the spirit of this even if I don't agree with it 100%. It sounds like your beliefs put you in a somewhat unusual corner of Protestantism while still being very devout and serious about it (maybe African American? maybe maximum rightest liberal/Episcopal family? maybe maximum leftist semi-conservative Lutheran family? (as opposed to ultra conservative Neo-Puritan family)).
Anyway I'll try my version here, which is going to sound completely bizarre and off the wall to you because a couple of English monarchs torched Catholicism almost completely out of English speaking cultures roughly 400 years ago and nobody has ever substantially brought it back since. Basically Catholicism in a culturally recognizable sense only exists today in countries that speak Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian.
(Mine sounds completely different; other than the Bible we are not even remotely touching the same issues at all. )
My beliefs (not necessarily in order of importance):
I am a hyper traditional Catholic who is also hyper relatively anti-clerical which is a very unusual combination.
The only reason I am not ordained is because I am very sensitive to verbal criticism and I believe the diaconate requires preaching to everybody in the sense of St. Paul (even if it would make me infinitely better or at least as good as most Catholic clerics).
Vows of chastity (in the sense of celibacy) and even obedience in a general sense turned out to be VERY BAD IDEAS.
Canon law is not an infallible process.
God is much closer to being a Divine Comedy kind of God than a God any contemporary American would even remotely recognize.
The Bible is not infallible in an ultra literal sense, but rather infallible in quality.
(Don't get me going that the Protestant four solas are not actually in Scripture even though by "sola scriptura" they all four should be in Scripture.)
The Bible is actually a set of theological theorems following from Four Divine Axioms (see my Bible commentary in the next post). Each book corresponds to a family of theorems, each chapter corresponds to a theorem, each verse corresponds to a clever (and often highly hyper symbolic) recapitulation of a theological theorem with one hook verse per chapter and all the other verses scattered throughout the Bible like a scavenger hunt. Each theorems number of steps is the number of verse in each chapter. Once this is done unscramble the letters of the Latin Clementine Vulgate text ignoring capitalization and keeping word length the same and what you will be left with is the exact text of each theological theorem (although you probably won't have time for this step in earthly life).
I have come to believe that I am Peter the Roman fulfillment of the last entry of the prophecy of the popes since it matches my name perfectly and I have physical apparition memories of Christ and Mary. (It isn't just that though; I have worked out at least two centuries of puzzle piece perfect pope clue matches as well as a pattern with the Clementine Vulgate (this is longer than what you are used to and won't appear on most Bible search engines which were made by Protestants who believe that the Old Testament is shorter) mentioning the thirteenth of Adar ten times, Revelation 20, and Mary's recent apparitions in Fatima, Portugal, Cario's Zeitoun neighborhood, and rural Slovakia. Oh, and also the shape of my bedroom rug (assuming I don't sound totally insane to you already. )
THIS WOULD MEAN THAT TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING REALLY HIDEOUS REALLY SOON POSSIBLY WITH AN INVASION OF GREENLAND OR POSSIBLY WITH LOSING IN 2028 AND SEEKING A THIRD TERM BY FORCE.
I am posting my Bible commentary below if you are interested. I am currently working on it along with pope prophecy and third secret commentaries, which I have not completed yet.

God: Murarret et reve non est
(“earwax”, “boogers”) (c.f. Genesis 1:27)
(V words, XX letters)
God the Father: Veritas non potest contradicere veritati
(c.f. St. Thomas Aquinas)
(V words, XXXVI letters)
God the Son: Deus est
(II words, VII letters)
God the Holy Spirit: Esse est habere bonitatem
(c.f. St. Augustine)
(IV words, XXII letters)
(All chapter and verse numbers reference those in the Clementine Vulgate.)
5*12 Books:
(Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) Incarnation
(Ruth, First Kings, Second Kings, Third Kings, Fourth Kings) Mary Mother of God
(Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Job) Crucifixion
(Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom) God the Father’s Existence
(Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea) Mary Mother of God the Son
(Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah) God the Son’s Existence
(Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah) God the Son’s Divinity and Personhood
(Malachi, First Maccabees, Second Maccabees, Matthew, Mark) God the Father’s Divinity and Personhood
(Luke, John, Acts, Romans, First Corinthians) God the Holy Spirit’s Existence, Divinity, and Personhood
(First Thessalonians, Second Thessalonians, First Timothy, Second Timothy, Titus) Spiritual Creation
(Philemon, Hebrews, James, First Peter, Second Peter) God the Holy Spirit’s Bestowal of the Divine Substance
(First John, Second John, Third John, Jude, Revelation) Material Creation
God’s Favorites:
Books:
God the Father: Exodus
God the Son: Ezekiel
God the Holy Spirit: First John
Chapters:
God the Father: Psalm 118
God the Son: Exodus 3
God the Holy Spirit: Revelation 7
Verses:
God the Father: Genesis 15:17
God the Son: First Kings 3:6
God the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:4
My favorite book:
Job
My favorite chapter:
Leviticus 8
My favorite verse:
Psalm 113:9
Bible Relate Fun Facts:
Psalms is the most good book in the Bible; Philemon is the least good book in the Bible.
Exodus 32 is the most shocking chapter in Scripture; Luke 1 is the least shocking chapter in Scripture.
Second John is the easiest to understand book in the Bible; First Chronicles is the hardest to understand book in the Bible.
Second Maccabees is the most helpful book in the Bible; First Maccabees is the least helpful book in the Bible.
The deepest verse in the Scripture is First Chronicles 8:2; the least deep verse in Scripture is First Corinthians 9:16.
The most beautiful verse in the Bible is Luke 1:38. The least beautiful verse in Scripture is Psalm 136:9.
You can tell the letters of “earwax” and “boogers” by the last letter of the first book of Chronicles and the first letter of the second book of Chronicles, respectively.
Murarret has 8 letters; one can also discern this by the number of chapters in Song of Songs, which is God the Father’s and God the Son’s combined wisdom book and allegorically relates to the eternal begetting of God the Son.
The first letter and length of the word Ruth reflect the missing word for “boogers”; Ruth reflects Mary being the Mother of God. One can discern that reve has 4 letters and starts with r from the book of Ruth.
Esther reflects Mary being the mother of God the Son, since God the Son’s Axiom is “Deus est”.
There is a parallel structure with Genesis 3 (Satan is introduced in the third chapter of the Bible) and Revelation 20 (Satan is defeated in the third to last chapter of the Bible).
Ezekiel 1 is the most bizarre chapter in Scripture.
Romans is the most shocking book in Scripture; Obadiah is the least shocking book in Scripture.
Verse Types:
Material Creation Beginning Step (Genesis)
Crucifixion Beginning Step (Exodus)
12: The Crucifixion must be a step at the beginning of time. [2]
13: The Incarnation builds upon Crucifixion. [4]
20: Baptism builds upon the Crucifixion. [11]
Holy Orders Priesthood (Leviticus)
Spiritual Heaven (Numbers)
16: Spiritual heaven builds upon Baptism. [22]
22: Saints temporary lose free will unto the end of corruption. [26]
Magisterium (Deuteronomy)
32: The magisterium cannot be untrue. [2]
God the Son’s Divinity and Personhood Beginning Step (Joshua)
Episcopacy (Judges)
16: Indulgences build upon the episcopacy. [3]
Mary Mother of God Beginning Step (Ruth)
The One Person of God the Father (1 Kings)
The One Person of God the Son (2 Kings)
3: The Incarnation builds upon the One Person of God the Son [14]
The One Person of God the Holy Spirit (3 Kings)
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God the Holy Spirit’s Preclusion of Pure Evil (4 Kings)
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God’s Preclusion of Murarret (1 Chronicles)
5: The nonexistence of murarret and Christ’s Human Nature imply what the last three of the four Gospels and Ezekiel are about. [3]
8: The nonexistence of murarret forces the nonexistence of reve (which is also what the Second Secret of Fatima is about). [2]
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God’s Preclusion of Reve (2 Chronicles)
Spiritual Purgatory (Ezra)
Bodily Purgatory (Nehemiah)
God the Father’s Divinity and Personhood Beginning Step (Tobit)
Incarnation Beginning Step (Judith)
16: The Incarnation must be a step at the beginning of time. [31]
Mary Mother of God the Son Beginning Step (Esther)
God the Father’s Existence Beginning Step (Job)
Baptism (Psalms)
10: Baptism builds upon Confirmation. [2]
113: Water is necessary for Baptism. [8]
Scripture (Proverbs)
20: Scripture is quality uncompromised. [8]
Confirmation (Ecclesiastes)
God the Son’s Existence Beginning Step (Song of Songs)
God the Holy Spirit’s Bestowal of the Divine Substance Beginning Step (Wisdom)
God the Son’s Divine Substance (Sirach)
God the Father’s Divine Nature (Isaiah)
God the Father’s Divine Substance (Jeremiah)
Spiritual Hell (Lamentations)
Public Revelation Tradition (Baruch)
God the Son’s Human Body’s Nature (Ezekiel)
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God the Father’s Preclusion of Contradiction (Daniel)
Marriage (Hosea)
God the Holy Spirit’s Divine Substance (Joel)
God the Holy Spirit’s Divine Nature (Amos)
Spiritual Semilimbo (Obadiah)
The Papacy (Jonah)
Christmas (Micah)
Bodily Hell (Nahum)
1: At least two people must spend eternity in bodily hell. [9]
Anointing of the Sick (Habakkuk)
The Second Coming of Christ (Zephaniah)
Easter (Haggai)
Angelic Semilimbo (Zechariah)
Angelic Heaven (Malachi)
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God the Son’s Preclusion of Atheism (1 Maccabees)
Miscellaneous Theorems Ending in God the Son’s Preclusion of Polytheism (2 Maccabees)
God the Son’s Human Nature (Matthew)
God the Son’s Human Body Substance (Mark)
God the Son’s Human Soul Substance (Luke)
God the Son’s Divine Nature (John)
God the Holy Spirit’s Existence, Divinity, and Personhood Beginning Step (Acts)
Original Sin (Romans)
4: Mary was conceived without stain of original sin. [8]
5: Christ was conceived without stain of original sin. [18]
Mortal Sin (First Corinthians)
10: It is sacrilegious to receive the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin. [21]
Venial Sin (Second Corinthians)
Bodily Heaven (Galatians)
2: One gains an assumption by having one’s earthly life at full spiritual health. [19]
4: Mary assumed bodily into heaven. [31]
Forgiving Grace (Ephesians)
Rebuilding Grace (Philippians)
Angelic Hell (Colossians)
3: The Human Nature of Christ builds upon angelic hell. [23]
Mary’s Membership in the Church (First Thessalonians)
1: Spiritual heaven builds upon Mary’s membership in the Church. [4]
Mary’s Human Body Substance (Second Thessalonians)
Mary’s Human Soul Substance (First Timothy)
The One Person of Mary (Second Timothy)
Mary’s Human Nature (Titus)
Confession (Philemon)
The Sacrament of the Eucharist (Hebrews)
Diaconate (James)
Indulgences (First Peter)
Canon Law (Second Peter)
God the Holy Spirit’s Membership in the Church (1 John)
God the Father’s Membership in the Church (2 John)
God the Son’s Membership in the Church (3 John)
1: God the Son is a member of the Church (which is also what the Third Secret of Fatima is about). [14]
Bodily Semilimbo (Jude)
Spiritual Creation Beginning Step (Revelation)

@saint_of_gaming I think you need to get mental help

I already tried that for years and it was a complete waste of money that didn't help me at all. Watch the news and see what happens if you don't believe me. Remember Emily Dickenson's poetry.

Remember that I live in a country in which over 70 million people elected somebody president who says that Italian satellites stole the election from him in 2020 and that he is going to invade Norway because Norway didn't give him the Nobel Peace prize. I'm understandably scared and worried. I have a relative high degree of computational intelligence, and am semi-autistic, which means that I am good at spotting patterns everywhere.

@saint_of_gaming

You are correct that I have a Protestant background. To give you more insight, I go to a small ethnic nondenominational church in California where political views are wide ranging (except in leadership where they are mostly conservative), but where theological views are well-defined. Many of the older folk of my church grew up Catholic and were re-baptized into Protestantism, so I was exposed to a lot of anti-Catholic beliefs. Because of these things, I agree that I grew up in a very unusual corner of Christianity. But, I believe it has made me a very well-rounded Christian, and I resonate deeply with Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:22-23.

Your Bible commentary looks super interesting, but I am unable to decipher half of it. I suspect part of it is due to the fact that I have been removed from the Apostolic churches' canon of the Bible. (However, I have determined to read the Apocrypha this year to connect to some of the Biblical authors' roots, so hopefully I'll be able to understand a little more about what you are saying.) I also think that you haven't yet developed your writings to communicate your thoughts to others. Perhaps you are intentionally speaking to people with similar thought patterns? In that case, I probably wouldn't bother to try to understand, but if you hope to share your revelations, I would love for you to walk us through your commentary.

("earwax", "boogers" ) is fascinating btw.

@SSTG thank you for your kind words btw

I'll try to give you a few main points more clearly. I'm semi-autistic and try cramming way-way-way too much into sentences at much so I'll try to give a few basic points.
1. Its a radically different way of looking at the Bible than what you are used to, which is usually the literal sense and only the literal sense (although there a few noteworthy exceptions to this; I have heard Protestants speculating where the Crucifixion can be found in Leviticus for instance). The way I believe it is something like this
Level 0 - symbols given away in the New Testament books (John 3:14 for instance)
Level 1 - symbols that really don't make any common sense at all and match a well known (to Christians at least) theological pattern such as Genesis 37:7 matching the Divinity of Christ. (To disciples of Mohammad and any Jews who pause to consider it this sounds like blasphemous or almost blasphemous nonsense. "Isn't Joseph a man not God? If so then why should our (or their) Holy Book be containing such a dream even if it truly occurred?)
...
Final Level - First Chronicles (or in Latin Paralipomenon "things left out&quot Chapters 1-9. Ok. "Why the blazes are nine chapters of what is practically the most boring list of details imaginable doing in the Bible? Doesn't God have better things to communicate to me?" I remember thinking as a child.
2. What the Protestant Canon of the Old Testament is is that way solely because of a single verse (2 Maccabees 12:46) triggering Luther's acute and painful OCD. I have acute and painful OCD too; I tried dealing with it through indulgences (hint 34 is the easiest full indulgence to gain) and believing that Romans 3:28 matches to the Numbers 22 theorem listed above. The effects of this wind up sounding like this though "We believe that God can only inspire the Old Testament to be in only one original language, but can inspire the New Testament to be in two original languages (the earliest draft version of Matthew was in Hebrew https://www.hebrewgospels.com/hebrew-matthew); therefore we are going with the Old Testament Canon prescribed by the Jewish Council of Jamnia, despite the fact that this was the same council that expelled Christians from the synagogues and the Apostles all used the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Old Testament that includes all the books that modern Catholics and Eastern Traditional Christians consider canonical and a few books not considered canonical by either like Odes.) It seems like a perfectly consistent position for a Jew to hold (one original language for all Bible books); for a Christian to hold this to be the Old Testament canon I have a really hard time fathoming. The best that I can think of is an appeal to authority argument (James Tudor (or Donald John Trump [NOT YOU BTW]) said so; therefore it is so.)
3. "Deus est" I feel pretty sure about because of Exodus 3:14 "My Identity is My Identity" and the book of Esther. Ok, which Divine Person is that who is doing the talking? (If the "Peter the Roman" part is real maybe the "Deus ex" games are foretelling me too.)
4. I'm a full-time employed data scientist who came up with this all by myself using only a portion of my free time. "55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brothers, James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And are not his sisters all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" I'm a total nobody in the middle of relative nowhere. People keep thinking that I'm not in my right mind for believing that I am "Peter the Roman" despite having unique physical apparition memories that match Frozen and the Lord of the Rings, respectively, in a way that seems extremely unlikely to me to be by chance (although admittedly I was on Prozac at the time). "21 And when his own people heard it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is mad." I see my name in an ancient prophecy. "21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.". My main evidence seems to be a semi-junior version of the evidence that Christ himself had; an ability to answer "What is God?" and "What does Scripture mean?" accurately and fast despite having had no more formal religious training than what grade school or high school gave me and a few university classes. Seeing Himself in the prophecy is supposed to represent the third epistle of John above "the Person of Christ is His Body" by the way; the three secrets of Fatima match the three epistles of John and the three cross symbolism of Calvary.