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Mustang2653
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I think it would have to be world war 2 because of all the lives that were lost

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MRWalker82
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The pacific theater was a theater that was very small. Not many died there. It was a side theater, not an important one.


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So I suppose you don't find over 8 million military members killed, or the nearly 1 million civilians killed as a result of the Pacific theater of operations a big deal? That's just a small theater and not many died. Nope, not important at all....

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SirNoobalot
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yes, Macarthur's folly was one pitiful excuse for a general... although AFTERWARDS his entire army and subordinates were captured, he wasn't that bad...

some of the most deadly battles of WW2:

Guadalcanal
Iwo Jima
Mariana islands
Battle of the Bulge
Rommel's afrika campaign ( yes i spelled it that way on purpose)
D-Day

but let's not forget all the others who died, like the sailors who died ferrying supplies to the UK.they weren't even considered 'military'.as far as ratios and statistics go they had one of the highest death rates O_o.

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So I suppose you don't find over 8 million military members killed, or the nearly 1 million civilians killed as a result of the Pacific theater of operations a big deal? That's just a small theater and not many died. Nope, not important at all....


Compared to 51 million people who died in Europe, It is not to be treated as an equal theater. It is a side theater. It even started at least 2 years before WW2, possibly more, but i'm not in the mood the check it.
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MRWalker82
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. It even started at least 2 years before WW2, possibly more, but i'm not in the mood the check it.


Actually it started nearly 3 years AFTER war broke out in Europe, but 'sokay you don't know the timeline.

Now, after a bit more research, and some verification of statistics which I saw, but didn't use because I figured 10 million was a dramatic loss to you, let's take a closer look at total losses in the Pacific Theater of Operations.


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Allies - China, USA, Philippines, UK, India, Australia, Netherlands, Indies, New Zealand, USSR:

1. 4,440,000 military casualties
2. 24 million civilian casualties


Axis - Japan and Thailand:

1. 3,340,000 military casualties
2. 960,000 civilian casualties

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That looks to me like it adds up to about 33 million deaths. I don't know about anyone else, but that's awfully close to the 55 million deaths in the European Theater of Operations, especially considering that war didn't break out in the Pacific Theater until very late in 1941, nearly 3 years after it broke out in Europe.

Oh, and let's not forget that the Pacific Theater saw the atomic bomb used, which you cited as a major part of WW2. Again, your logic fails. The Pacific Theater was NOT a 'side war' nor were the casualties to be taken lightly.
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Here's a timeline for the Pacific Theatre of WWII.

The Japanese were on the warpath and invaded all of their neighbors. On 12/6/41, they attacked more islands than just Pearl Harbor within a three day period. That's why I commented on the Philippines. It's easy to say this was just another war over oil and that may be why politicians declare on each other but that doesn't explain the shear guts and gritty determination of "the greatest generation ever" to accomplish so much, in so short a time with so little resources.

To: Tomertheking
Just a side note to a side war, I find your flippant remarks about this crucial part of WWII insulting and I'll tell you why. My father served the Army Aircorp during WWII and was there for the entire European Theatre, beginning in N.Africa, on to Italy, on to the South of France and then Normandy and Germany. When his company was put on board the QE2 they were being deployed to the Pacific as Japan still had not signed a peace treaty.
So don't tell me the Pacific Theatre was a "side war" as my father's company was dreading the Japanese more than Hitler and his goon squads.
They wanted no part of jungle warfare that was extremely deadly.

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I believe World War 2 becuase many people died and so many cities were ruined. Also it shook and changed the world with the presentation of the atomic bomb.

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i would say the Pig War because the only death was 1 pig, and it was fought because the pig died

tomertheking
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They wanted no part of jungle warfare that was extremely deadly.


And of course they just loved fighting in Europe. t was their favorite pastime.
wajor59
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And of course they just loved fighting in Europe. t was their favorite pastime.


The soldiers my father was friends with loved freedom and couldn't wait to get back to the states and return to their free lives. My father was a gunner, providing air support for General Patton and his subordinate generals. After the war, my father wouldn't step foot on any plane, nor cruise ship and the only things he would shoot, while hunting were snakes.
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Well, I'm not going to look through all these pages. But I'm sure alot of people said Vietnam War. Because we basically lost. Even though they took more damage. But I'm going to have to go with World War Two. That was the most devastating war of them all. All those people killed. And those citys destroyed. But look at all the advances in technology and medicine. Without That War we wouildn't be where we are today. Esoeciually in medicine. If Hitler didn't make all those experiments he did during the war we'd be so far behind where we are now in medicine. So, World War Two is the worst war in history. But also the greatest advancement in technology and medicine.

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I think the 100 year war was one of the worst. It's bad enough the war went on for 116 years, despite the name, but to think that two sides were that doggone stubborn... The war lasted for generations. If that is not sad, idk what is.

A close second would have to be where Gengis Kahn (pardon my bad spelling) launched disease ridden bodies over the walls of a present-day turkish port city. This first known case of utilising disease as a bio-weapon is how the black plague got into europe if i remember my facts correctly. That in turn whiped out 1/2 - 3/4 of the entire population of Europe.

wajor59
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But I'm sure alot of people said Vietnam War. Because we basically lost.


What in the world are they teaching you in school! America troop withdrawal from Vietnam is completed on 11/30/72! Military advisors and Marines pull out of South Vietnam on 3/29/73.

4/30/75, was the "Fall of Saigon"!

The only thing Americans lost with that war was their "stomach for war!" Kent State protested the war along with universities across the nation and by 1973 Congress took matters into their own hands.
With or without Watergate they were going to impeach Nixon because of the bombing he secretly did in Cambodia.

Here's a time-line Vietnam index/The History Place

1/23/73, Nixon announces that an agreement has been reached which will end the war and bring peace with honor. On 1/27/73, The Paris Peace Accords are signed by the US, N.Vietnam, S.Vietnam and the Viet Cong. Under the terms, the US agrees to immediately halt all military activities and withdraw all remaining military personnel within 60 days. The N.Vietnamese agree to an immediate cease-fire and the release of all American POW's within 60 days. This is also the last day an American soldier dies. Just a side note: over 2400 American POW's/MIA's were unaccounted for as of 1973.

In April 1973, President Nixon and President Thieu of S.Vietnam, meet at San Clemente, CA. Nixon renews his earlier secret pledge to respond militarily if N.Vietnam violates the Paris Peace Accord.

6/19/73, the US Congress passes the Case-Church Amendment which forbids any further US military involvement in Southeast Asia, effective 8/15/73. This is veto proof with a vote of 278-124 House and 64-26 Senate.

This Amendment paves the way for North Vietnam to wage yest another invasion of the South, this time without fear of US bombing.

8/9/74, Richard Nixon resigns the presidency and Gerald Ford is sworn in as the 38th President, becoming the 6th President to have to deal with Vietnam.

9/74, The US Congress only appropriates $700 million for S.Vietnam.
Leaving them under-funded and results in the decline of military readiness and morale.

4/21/75, A bitter President Thieu resigns and reads from a 1972 letter from Nixon pledging "severe retaliatory action" if S.Vietnam was threatened. Thieu condemns the Paris Peace Accords, Henry Kissinger and the US. "The United States has not respected its promises. It is inhumane. It is untrustworthy, It Is irresponsible.

4/29/75, The Saigon airlift or, "Operation Frequent Wind", the largest helicopter evacuation to date. The footage is of thousand of civilians trying to escape Saigon before the Viet Cong take over their capital. It was truly a very sad day but 3 aircraft carriers were awaiting as many refugees as they could transport and hold.


4/30/75 @ 8:35am,The last 10 Marines from the embassy depart Saigon.

11 am, the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the presidential palace.
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Really? Why did y'all open this back up?

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The worst war in history (yet)? I think World War 2. Japan was nuked, Jews were murdered, Africa was invaded, and Roald Dahl crashed in the desert because of that war!

Also, Japan surrendered 65 years ago on August 15th.

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