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saxon94
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Do you think that a non-nuclear & atomic war could ever happen between the United States and Russia?

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Flipski
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Ya I think if tensions ever rose with Russia it would be in Easter Europe or Southern Western Areas. If Russia and the US got in a brawl, it would be horrible. You think fighting in Iraq sucks, think about an enemy who is equally equipped and powerful. I think Russia and the US would avoid nukes to the greatest extent, because it would be mutually assured destruction. for example if Russia launched first the US would launch as soon as we picked up their missiles on satellites right after launch (it takes a while for a missile to get around the globe) and both countries would get destroyed.

I think that is why Russia is panicking because of the Anti Nuke defense system we are installing in Poland, because it would give us protection against their missiles, giving us an upper hand.

Agent_86
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Well, the Russians are even more dangerous now that they aren't in the news every day. They can upgrade their military and defence system without the rest of the world watching them now. But if I were Vladimir Putin, I would take out the US's allies, namely Europe and the Pacific Islands. The cornered US would be swamped.

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Europe wouldn't be a pushover...

Britain,Germany france have very strong armies

While I admit we would be crushed in weeks...

America could land nearby and invade russia.

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Well, Europe was a pushover in 2 World Wars, and I don't think much has changed(at least at the top). I admit GB would put up a good fight, but the only hope for the US and her allies would be for Russia to spread herself too thinly.

That's what doomed the Japanese in WWII.

craker
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lol this is a pointless thread i think

windshift
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France was only a pushover because they gave up so they would not see their paris destroyed...

Secondly I would think that Germany,France,germany and maybe Italy would be the only countries able enough to stand somewhat against russia...

And the reason Europe was such a pushover is because many countries did not join in WW2.

But I think russia might attack sweden,Poland,norway and other places just to the east first to get a good ground

windshift
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Britain not germany...Bah...

Wrote germany twice

Drace
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Well, the Russians are even more dangerous now that they aren't in the news every day.


Not true. The government is still aware of their actions, but its nothing of interest to the public since the "Red Scare" went away.

And no, Russia is no where as strong compared to its state at the 30-70s of the USSR.

That's what doomed the Japanese in WWII.


It was actually just 2 atomic bombs from the US on their important cities. Killed about 200,000.
Agent_86
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It was actually just 2 atomic bombs from the US on their important cities. Killed about 200,000.
Actually, if you go farther back in the war, the reason the Allies could go "Island Hopping" in the Pacific was because the Japanese had so much land to protect, they didn't have as many men protecting each island. That way, it was easier for the Allied Navy to get close enough to get those A-Bombs down on Japan. True, the A-Bombs were the final blow, but the beginning of the end was at the point that the Japanese were spread too thinly.
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Russia is dangerous. They still believe that they are so superior in their corner of the world that they can do whatever they want, as evidenced by their invasion of Georgia not so long ago.

I believe that Russia and the US could get into a non-nuclear war, as neither side would wish to risk the support of other countries by being the first to drop the bomb.

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It was actually just 2 atomic bombs from the US on their important cities. Killed about 200,000.


The Japanese were screwed any way you looked at it. The bombs were just the final nail in the coffin and if it hadn't been them it would have been a joint invasion by both the US and the USSR from two fronts.
Drace
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Russia is dangerous. They still believe that they are so superior in their corner of the world that they can do whatever they want, as evidenced by their invasion of Georgia not so long ago.

I believe that Russia and the US could get into a non-nuclear war, as neither side would wish to risk the support of other countries by being the first to drop the bomb.


Oh God..."Russia" is only Putin and the rest of the government. The Georgian conflict was no act of superiority. It was not even an invasion. Russia isn't even so well on economy, they have a declining population, and not so great of a military! How do you accuse of it of "doing whatever it wants"?

Might your evidence extend to the Soviet times?
Drace
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The Japanese were screwed any way you looked at it. The bombs were just the final nail in the coffin and if it hadn't been them it would have been a joint invasion by both the US and the USSR from two fronts.


Oh yes, and I believe the best every general of the US, Macarthur, was going to lead an invasion on Japan in 1945? But since the atomic bombs were dropped, it was no longer necessary. He ended up accepting the surrender.
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Oh yes, and I believe the best every general of the US, Macarthur, was going to lead an invasion on Japan in 1945? But since the atomic bombs were dropped, it was no longer necessary. He ended up accepting the surrender.


Before the bombs the Japanese knew they had lost and were attempting to make taking Japan itself so hard that the US would accept a conditional surrender wherein they could keep their current government. However the US didn't want anything less then a unconditional surrender and therefore were planning to invade, but instead dropped the bombs which effectively did the same job of breaking any remaining will Japan had left.
SuperzMcShort
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There's really never been a reason to set up anti rocket defenses in Cuba. There are (currently) no powers with the capability to launch long range missiles carrying nuclear warheads, and there is no power who seems to be on the verge of obtaining that technology. If the specific even that you're referring to was the Cuban Missile Crisis, then those weren't missiles for a defensive purpose, they were offensive in nature and even then that was during the cold war and should be behind us. If you're annoyed by the anti missile defense systems being set up in Poland I can only ask why? There's really nothing that they could do to Russia or anyone else, being that they're defensive in nature, if you think that it's because we don't trust Russia not to push the button that's also not true. The missile defense system in Poland is being set up (if you have a basic knowledge of long range missiles) to intercept missile headed to the US from the Middle East, it would do the sum total of zero against any Russian aggression.

I more or less agree with everything else you said though.

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