First of all, no posting religious comments about how stuff is wrong in this thread. Of course everyone is allowed to state their opinion, but Christians and other religious people who just post about premarital sex, same sex relationships and other deviations from the standardized common norm is wrong because their biblething says so, tends to ruin the healthy discussion. So please, if you have nothing else to say, don't bother saying it. I talked with Strop about getting this topic up and running, so... I don't think I'm not allowed to, though some of you youngsters may find it offensive. Please, if weird things about sex disturbs you, stop reading now. Kthnxbai.
Now, the actual topic of this thread is pretty wide. Heavy reading about what paraphilias are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia But to sum up (info taken from Wikipedia's article): * Exhibitionism: the recurrent urge or behavior to expose one's genitals to an unsuspecting person. (Can also be the recurrent urge or behavior to perform sexual acts in a public place, or in view of unsuspecting persons.) * Fetishism: the use of inanimate objects to gain sexual excitement. Partialism refers to fetishes specifically involving nonsexual parts of the body (for example, feet). * Frotteurism: the recurrent urges of behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person. * Pedophilia: a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children, or has engaged in child sexual abuse. * Sexual Masochism: the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer for sexual pleasure. * Sexual Sadism: the recurrent urge or behavior involving acts in which the pain or humiliation of a person is sexually exciting. * Transvestic fetishism: arousal from "clothing associated with members of the opposite sex." * Voyeurism: the recurrent urge or behavior to observe an unsuspecting person who is naked, disrobing or engaging in sexual activities, or may not be sexual in nature at all.
For anyone that do not "suffer" from a paraphilia, most of that can probably sound - grotesque... But many people in this world have one or more paraphilias.
Actually, just to annoy you all with a wall of text and ****s, here's the List of paraphilias as found here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias I think many of them are extremely gross, but most people have at least one of the listed. Personally, I have seven.
Some paraphilias have have more than one term to describe them, and some terms overlap with others. * Abasiophilia: love of (or sexual attraction to) people who are lame or crippled and/or who use leg braces or other orthopaedic appliances * Agalmatophilia: sexual attraction to statues or mannequins or immobility * Algolagnia: sexual pleasure from pain * Acrotomophilia: sexual attraction to amputees * Andromimetophilia: sexual attraction towards female-to-male transsexuals * Apotemnophilia: sexual arousal associated with being, becoming, or being perceived as an amputee * Asphyxiophilia: sexual arousal from self-strangulation * Autagonistophilia: sexual arousal from being on stage or on camera * Autassassinophilia: sexual arousal from staging one's own murder * Autoerotic asphyxiation: sexual arousal from self-induced asphyxiation to the point of near unconsciousness * Autogynephilia: a male's sexual arousal in response to the image of himself as female * Autonepiophilia: sexual arousal from impersonating and being treated like an infant * Autopedophilia: sexual arousal from the thought or image of one's self as a child * Bestiality: sexual attraction to animals * Bestiosexuality: sexual attraction to animals * Biastophilia: sexual arousal from assault and rape * Chremastistophilia: sexual arousal from being robbed or being held * Chronophilia: sexual attraction to a partner of a widely differing chronological age * Coprophilia: sexual attraction to (or pleasure from) feces * Cratophilia: sexual attraction to strength * Diaperism: sexual interest in wearing diapers * Erotic asphyxia: sexual attraction from asphyxia (also called "breath control play" or "strangulation", including autoerotic asphyxiation * Erotophonophilia: lust murder * Exhibitionism: the recurrent urge to or enacting of exposing one's genitals to unsuspecting, nonconsenting persons; also, sexual arousal by engaging in sexual behavior in view of third parties. * Fetishism: sexual interest in nonliving objects * Formicophilia: sexual attraction to smaller animals, insects, etc. crawling on parts of the body * Frotteurism: sexual arousal from the recurrent urge or behavior of touching or rubbing against a non-consenting person * Gerontophilia: sexual arousal from significantly older partners * Gynandromorphophilia: sexual attraction to women with penises, men cross-dressed as women, or male-to-female transsexuals * Gynemimetophilia sexual attraction towards male-to-female transsexuals * Hebephilia: sexual attraction to pubescent children * Homeovestism: sexual arousal by wearing the clothing emblematic of one's own sex * Hybristophilia: sexual arousal to people who have committed crimes, in particular cruel or outrageous crimes * Infantophilia: sexual attraction to children five years old or younger * Infanitilism: sexual pleasure from dressing, acting, or being treated as a baby * Kleptophilia: (or kleptolagnia) sexual arousal from stealing * Klismaphilia: sexual pleasure from enemas * Lactaphilia: sexual arousal from human milk * Lust murder: sexual arousal from committing (or trying to commit) murder * Mammaphilia: (also mammagynophilia, mastofact) sexual arousal from the breasts of a woman * Masochism: the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer * Menophilia: sexual arousal from menses or menstruating women * Morphophilia: sexual preference for individuals with a particular body shape and size * Mucophilia: sexual arousal from human mucus * Mysophilia: sexual attraction to soiled, dirty, foul or decaying materials * Narratophilia: sexual arousal in the use of dirty or obscene words to a partner * Nasophilia: sexual arousal from touching the nose of a person * Necrophilia: sexual attraction to corpses * Nepiophilia: sexual attraction to infants * Olfactophilia: sexual stimulus with smells or odors * Osmolagnia: sexual arousal from odors * Osphresiolagnia: sexual arousal dependent on smells or odors * Ozolagnia: sexual arousal dependent on smells or odors * Ondinism: (also undinism) sexual attraction to urine * Partialism: exaggerated sexual interest in a non-genital very specific body part * Peodeiktophilia: sexual arousal from exposing one's penis * Pedophilia: (British spelling: paedophilia) sexual attraction to prepubescent children * Pedovestism: sexual arousal from imitating children in appearance * Pictophilia: sexual attraction to pictorial pornography or erotic art * Podophilia: sexual attraction to human feet * Renifleurism: sexual arousal in response to the smell of urine * Sadism: deriving pleasure, or in some cases sexual arousal from giving pain * Salirophila: sexual arousal by soiling (only the appearance of) the object of one's desired partner * Scatophilia: sexual arousal from feces * Scoptophilia: (or scopophilia) sexual preference for watching others masturbating or having sex * Raptophilia: sexual preference for committing rape * Somnophilia: sexual arousal from sleeping or unconscious people * Sthenolagnia: sexual arousal from the demonstration of strength or muscles * Stigmatophilia: sexual interest in piercings, tattoos * Symphorophilia: sexual arousal from disasters * Telephone scatologia: being sexually aroused by making obscene phone calls to strangers * Telephonicophilia: being sexually aroused by making obscene phone calls to strangers * Transvestic fetishism: arousal from "clothing associated with members of the opposite sex." * Transvestophilia: sexual preference for a cross-dressered partner * Trichophilia: sexual arousal from hair * Troilism: (also spelled triolism) sexual interest in watching one's regular sexual partner having sex with a third party, usually unbeknownst to the third party * Urophagia: sexual attraction to consuming urine * Urophilia: sexual attraction to urine, including urinating in public, urinating on others, and being urinated on by others; * Vampirism: sexual arousal from drawing, sucking, or drinking blood * Vomerophilia: sexual attraction to vomit * Vorarephilia: sexual attraction to eating others or the idea of being eaten by others; usually in one piece * Voyeurism: sexual arousal through secretly watching others in intimate situations, such as disrobing, being naked, or having sex * Zoophilia: sexual attraction to animals * Zooerastia: sexual attraction to animals * Zooerasty: sexual attraction to animals * Zoosadism: sexual gratification derived from causing pain and suffering to animals
Fetishes and partialisms * Anesthesia fetishism * Balloon fetishism * Blood fetishism (also haematophilia) * Breast fetishism * Breast expansion fetishism * Crush fetish * Diaper fetishism * Doll fetish * Fat fetishism (also lipophilia) * Foot fetishism * Garment fetishism * Hand fetishism * Hypnofetishism * Impregnation fetish * Lipstick fetishism (straight and trans varieties) * Medical fetishism * Navel fetishism * Nose fetishism (also nasophilia) * Panty fetishism * Pregnancy fetishism * Racial fetishism * Robot fetishism * Shoe fetishism * Silk/Satin fetishism * Smoking fetishism (Capnolagnia) * Spandex fetishism * Tickling fetishism (also acarophilia) * Total enclosure fetishism * Transformation fetish * Wet and messy fetishism: sexual arousal by having substances deliberately and generously applied to the naked skin, or to the clothes people are wearing
Japanese terms Though these fetishes originated in Japan, they have recently gained popularity in other countries, particularly the Americas. * Nyotaimori: sexual arousal by eating sashimi or sushi from the body of a (usually naked) woman * Omorashi: sexual arousal to one's or a partner's feeling of having a full bladder * Tamakeri: sexual arousal from having a male kicked in the groin by a woman * Wakamezake: sexual arousal by drinking alcohol from a woman's body.
Technical terms for non-paraphilic sexual interests * Androphilia: Sexual interest in men * Analloerotic: Lacking in sexual interests towards others (but not lacking in sexual drive) * Ephebophilia: Sexual attraction towards individuals in mid- to late adolescence, typically ages 15-19 * Gynephilia: Sexual interest in women * Teleiophilia: Sexual interest in adults (as opposed to pedophilia, etc.)
AND THERE ARE SO MANY MORE! I think it's Rule 35 that states, if it exists, someone has a fetish for it.
Also, sorry about the ****s. It's that word for having intercourse with someone without their consent, you all know it.
Let the comments roll in! As with the Homosexuality thread, there is no particular direction for this topic to take. Just share your thoughts or something. Please keep comments on-topic and lighthearted. Flaming will not be tolerated.
Ehm. Read Strop's post on in the beginning of this page. It's in mod-blue, shouldn't be hard to miss. I think, it counts as a disorder if a person does not function sexually without the thing related to a fetish or something... So that a person with algolagnia (sexual pleasure from pain) does not get any satisfaction from sex, if he/she doesn't feel pain at the same time.
Also, those that are against the law may be perceived by others as mental disorders... Such as pedophilia and necrophilia...
Necrophilia should go along with a mental disorder, hopefully. As Strop pointed out, it may be natural, but there is seriously something wrong with you if you have to dig up a dead corpse for pleasure...
* Morphophilia: sexual preference for individuals with a particular body shape and size
One example of this are the people who are either known as or are self-professed "chubby-chasers".
Necrophilia should go along with a mental disorder, hopefully. As Strop pointed out, it may be natural, but there is seriously something wrong with you if you have to dig up a dead corpse for pleasure...
Well the question I'd like everybody to ask as they're making statements like this would essentially be "what's the point of calling it a mental disorder?"
To express revulsion at certain things because they are gross or trigger your intuitions as being deeply disturbing (wanting to lie with dead people, with other animals, with strange objects, with people against their will, playing with feces etc.) is perfectly natural, because let's face it, while risk is inherent in everything, some things can be associated with greater risks than others. For example I could hardly recommend ingesting large amounts of fecal matter because you could pick up a whole range of nasty pathologies from doing so.
But to weigh up both "it may be natural" and "there is something wrong with you" simultaneously is a tricky line to carry because without strong justification it is really no different from applying such judgments to, say, homosexuality. And one might even say, at this point, "well, having intercourse with a corpse is just way different from having sexual relations with a living person of the same sex", but if you're going to try to argue why, then you'll probably end up the same road: making rationalisations such as "receiving anal sex increases your risk of colorectal cancer by anywhere from 4-50 fold", which there may be evidence for, but...does that make it wrong?
This is why a) I never say that there is something 'wrong' with a person- because it implies that there is a way that a person should function. But really, things function, end of story. Which leads to b) I prefer to talk about function and the moral component in a discrete manner.
You may look at me strangely for this but this is what allows me to say that while there is something morally deficient in the act of willful exploitation and non-consensual sex, that there is not in necrophilia itself (with regards to familial rights and dignity is another matter). But necrophilia itself is a more complicated matter anyway and is often talked about in the context of a deep-seated behavioral motive, particularly of control.
I never say that there is something 'wrong' with a person
Actually, I do, haha. I apply this to cases in which it is evident that functions within a person conflict or that the net result is a person who is non-functional or has impaired function within society. This is along the same lines as my earlier spiel on what a mental disorder technically means.
For example the guy who, for reasons that remain unclear, stabbed a stranger with a knife fifty times then ate parts of his body on a bus in Canada. This event makes it clear that, assuming we can't tell whether or not it would happen again, that this guy literally can't be around other people (unless they want to die). Furthermore in court his only plea was for somebody to kill him, which further indicates an internal pathology subject to further psychiatric evaluation.
Compare this to the case of a person who wants to sleep with dead people. Does this habit happen to be harmful to other persons? Under what circumstances are they? How does this conflict with values regarding death and deceased peoples? A lot of these factors are determined by social environment moreso than concrete attributes.
That said, I can't comment on how physiologically healthy or unhealthy the practice of sleeping with dead people is because I'm not an expert on it. All I can say is that it seems that actual pathology in this case appears to be contingent on other psychological dimensions.
good job on the thread zophia, i think you almost beat strop in the wall of text contest for this one. but onto the real topic, not all of these should be considered disorders, or really strange at all. i think i caught myself in 3 or 4 of these (but im not tellin!) alot of these would make since and almost everyone has it, others are "stranger" but whos really says their exactly "wrong".
@Strop: I think I'll just widely agree and otherwise not know what to say to your wall of text.
Compare this to the case of a person who wants to sleep with dead people. Does this habit happen to be harmful to other persons? Under what circumstances are they? How does this conflict with values regarding death and deceased peoples? A lot of these factors are determined by social environment moreso than concrete attributes.
Our moral standards regarding the dead are, mildly speaking, odd. We tend to honor the useless lumps of flesh. I guess it's all to do with the emotional attachment... But: No, not physically harmful. Could give the deceased person's relatives some serious emotional trouble, though.
@daswiftarrow:: Thank you. ^^ Strop has added plenty of text to it too. :P Only 3-4? X) I still stick to my seven, and stuff not on the list - and basically, as long as such things aren't hurting anyone, or being forced unto them, there's nothing wrong with it. My opinion, anyway.
lol, well, don't mean to overwhelm. Oh, what the heck, here I go again!
Kneejerk reactions are everywhere, really. I recall the case of one unfortunate individual by the name of Kenneth Pinyan, from Washington state. Some years ago (well, I'll be blunt) he had an accident and died of a perforated colon as the result of a sexual act with an arabian stallion (I'll leave you to put two and two together).
The moral and legal dimensions are as follows:
* A bill was passed that made bestiality illegal in Washington state immediately thereafter (previous to this incident it wasn't). This is the kneejerk reaction because I'm left without some reasonable explanation for this. Perhaps they wished to prevent further incidents such as this?
* Let's consider that such incidents of this nature are extremely rare to begin with. And furthermore that KP previously regularly practiced this with no previous mishap. The ultimate cause of his demise was his refusal to seek medical treatment.
* Also important is that prosecutors wished to punish KP and his associates in some way or another. Assuming their motive was a desire to punish them, this is the part I find least sensible of all. Why? Because there was no evidence of any wrongdoing. No evidence of animal abuse (the arabian stallion was owned by KP, and it just so happened that he was boarding it at another person's place), and apart from a spurious charge of trespass it was not possible to lay other charges. I can only conclude that the motive was driven by the sensibility that somehow what KP did was somehow morally wrong, an additional irony since from my perspective KP had already paid the price, so to speak, in suffering the ultimate consequence of the risks inherent to his activity. Hence the death was ruled accidental, which, at least from what I know, it was.
Further ramifications from this case include debates about ability to consent etc. etc. and to what extent this plays on our moral compass. There are certainly cases along this spectrum that would unequivocally constitute animal abuse/cruelty, but the matter becomes defining how so and how important this is.
*just clicking on to the forums page one last time before going to sleep .... oh shi-, Strop has posted on a topic I read again!* [/my thoughts] I fear your walls of text, Strop. Though they are worth reading. English being my second language, I just can't quite follow all the terms~
The whole law against bestialism is a rather gray area... It varies much from place to place. Human morale is an odd thing, let there be no doubt about that. Most furries actually tend to find zoophiles rather disturbing (despite often being associated with that paraphilia), though not as disturbing as plushophiles... I generally only think of it as outright wrong when it's causing pain. It's not like I'm abusing male dog who's humping my leg, right? (So very annoying when they do that...)
I can't remember, were plushophiles on the list? People who hump teddy bears...
