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Moegreche
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I have a link to a NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?em&ex=1200546000&en=3d0d451cc8672382&ei=5087%0A

Sorry, I don't know how to make it an actual link, so just copy and past it or whatever. But the article presents a pretty compelling argument against our actually being here. It's pretty heavy stuff, so if something doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to explain it. But I'd like to see what you guys think about all this.

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KidCorpFounder
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Wait,f we don't even exist,then that means we're dead,and that means this is heaven,but if we're in heaven,where do we go when we die?
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT!

I'M REALLY CONFUSED PEOPLE!!!!

Moegreche
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We exist, just not in the manner to which you're accusto... nevermind.

Asherlee
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Heh, Moe. I was going to go there as well...then erased it.

Eshploded
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Nomad

So... we exist as something else? Cough* a possibility of a different entity?

Eshploded
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Nomad

Sorry for the double post.

I just can't keep my attention on the article.

Would anybody mind telling me the main points of the article?

Moegreche
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Basically the idea is that energy will take the path of least resistance, and in a multiverse like we assume we have it is very unlikely that energy would have formed to make us. It would have been much easier to just make floating brains that perceive a world, rather than an actual world (it would also require far less energy, which accounts for a lot of it missing for our perceived universe). So... you're a floating brain. Or rather, I'm at the very least a floating brain and the rest of you are just constructs in my brain.

Eshploded
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Hmm. Well that seems like a possibility. So... why would it all make so much sense? (maybe I might be too rash on that.)

Moegreche
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Why would what make so much sense? Our existence or the article?

Eshploded
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Nomad

The universe seems to be too complex to be... eh. nah. (I guess I was rash. o.o)

chiliad_nodi
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WOW. I actually did consider this a posibility in my mind a few times, but never with any thought that it was real. I never gave it credit due to its incrediility, but this article made it credible that I only exist and this is a test world randomly designed for me.
Maybe God is just the real floating brain, and earth + other planets are really His immagination.
Maybe I am in multiple universes at once.
Maybe...

kingmike123
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i dont get this

Pixie214
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"Today, a young man on acid, realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

An interesting article with some very weird ideas. Odd that it includes the cosmological constant something Eistein called the "biggest blunder of his life"

Parsat
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I was not particularly moved by this article. Perhaps it was my skepticism towards cosmology in the first place, but it's rather nutty to me.

My personal opinion towards existence is that I exist. Why? Could I be just a brain sitting in a vat of liquid being stimulated by electrodes? Perhaps. Could I be in an extremely immersive dream? Maybe. Or am I just "some momentary fluctuation in a field of matter and energy out in space"? My answer is Occam's Razor. Eliminate the hypotheses that make the most assumptions. And for me, the fact I'm sitting here typing, the fact that Moegreche started this thread, or that other AG people typed out their responses is proof enough that we exist. For all practical purposes, we exist in our own universe, which is our objective stance, if any other universes exist in the first place.

shadedclan
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Sorry, I don't know how to make it an actual link, so just copy and past it or whatever. But the article presents a pretty compelling argument against our actually being here. It's pretty heavy stuff, so if something doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to explain it. But I'd like to see what you guys think about all this.


Wow a Mod that doesn't know how to make a link on the forums well that's a first.
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