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ligaboy
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What I mean by that is the story of Jesus is similar to that of other religions.

Born on December 25th
Born of a Virgin
Birth accompanied by a star in the east
Upon birth adored by 3 kings
Teacher at the age of 12
Baptized at 30
12 disciples
Performed miracles
Betrayed
Crucified
Dead for 3 Day
Then resurrected

Dozens of other religions have a god or messiah that has some or all of these same attributes. A good example would be the Egyptian sun god Horus (3000 B.C)

Here's a like that will explain more
It's a movie, you have to skip to about 15 minutes in.

So what does everyone think of this?

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ligaboy
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Sorry about this thread, didn't know everything you all told me. Thanks for the posts though.

samy
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I'm narrow minded? I accept all religions and their believes for their followers. You on the other hand can only except that your religion is the true one and everyone else is ****ed to hell. You call people of different religions Atheists as if you know for a fact only you could be right. Christians have killed more in their name than all other religions combined. They force their religion on others and they call you ignorant when you don't agree with them.


Yet you post offencive pictures and scoff at any religious person. Also I HAVE to accept my religions right it's my religion, I'm tolerant but i don't accept that defeats the purpose. You don't accept all beliefs obviously your not christian. I've never once said that oh he's an atheist I have catholic friends, I have atheist friends, I have muslim friends I call them what they are. No actual we haven't considering the fact atheism is a religion, they have killed way more (hitler...) Also I call you ignorant beucase your opinion to nothing and stuck in your world of absolute belief in science which can be and often is wrong. No one forces their religion on anyone it's just a load of crap for anyone to say that you can't force someone to do anything. Also an atheist belief is taught in schools come on, force christianity ya right.
Talo
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Were do you get your facts from? Let me correct you:

Yet you post offencive pictures and scoff at any religious person

No just you and your fake facts.

Also I HAVE to accept my religions right it's my religion, I'm tolerant but i don't accept that defeats the purpose

You are full of BS all you do is complain about other religions. Usually attacking multiple religions you have never studied. You are a horrible representative of your religion.

You don't accept all beliefs obviously your not christian

Actually I'm Baptist. I think that's still considered Christian in most circles.

atheism is a religion, they have killed way more (hitler...

Adolf Hitler was brought up as a Roman Catholic

also I call you ignorant beucase your opinion to nothing and stuck in your world of absolute belief in science which can be and often is wrong

If I can get a better translation of this I would probably answer you better. But sorting out all the grammar and spelling errors, I am assuming you think I'm an atheist who believes in science? Do you even know what the Scientific Method is? It's were people PROVE their Theories.

No one forces their religion on anyone it's just a load of crap for anyone to say that you can't force someone to do anything.

Uh... what do you call missionaries? The crusades? Native Americans? If that's not forcing your religion, then communism has nothing on you.

Also an atheist belief is taught in schools

Which one? I never was taught any atheist beliefs. Are you talking about the one were the Earth revolves around the Sun?
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I'm narrow minded? I accept all religions and their believes for their followers. You on the other hand can only except that your religion is the true one and everyone else is ****ed to hell. You call people of different religions Atheists as if you know for a fact only you could be right. Christians have killed more in their name than all other religions combined. They force their religion on others and they call you ignorant when you don't agree with them.


I accept that other people believe in other religions, but I do not believe that their religion is right. I accept that you are an atheist, but I believe that Christianity is right. It is no more different than how you believe Christianity is a total crock and that there is no God. Do not make the common mistake of confusing tolerance with having to accept everything.

"Christians have killed more under their name than any other religion combined." People who have called themselves Christians have done terrible deeds, but the Bible tells us:
1. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
2. "Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God."

The thing is that many have abused Jesus' name for nefarious purposes. The Lord's Resistance Army, for example, claims that they do the work of the Lord, but they rape and murder, sins that are detestable to the sight of anyone.

I would also argue a case that Christianity has not killed more in its name than all religions combined. Consider Islam, which has also seen similar circumstances as Christianity: fighting among itself and the killing of others by those who claim to adhere to its religion. Consider the Chinese Legalists, the atheist Chinese as Shi Huangdi, first emperor of China, who violently purged the Taoists and the Confucianists. Consider the Communists, who killed so many religious people in an attempt to subjugate them to the state.

People have contempt for the missionaries that seek explicitly to convert them, but fail to see the secular message that carries through. The media, Hollywood, or TV, I have found, leave a more sinister and subconscious message than the missionaries have. If anything, the missionaries have done tremendous good. They have outreached to the poorest nations of the world in Africa and in Asia. They have helped construct hospitals and helped rescue refugees. If a missionary makes you feel as if you are being forced, they are no good missionary, because their actions should speak for themselves.
Talo
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First off, I'm not talking to you, so don't quote me as if I was.

I accept that you are an atheist


I am not an atheist, nor have I ever claimed to be one.

Do not make the common mistake of confusing tolerance with having to accept everything


Tolerance is not telling some one you will go to hell for not believing in my religion.

Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God


Yet if I am not Christian, even if I live a pure life without sin and only help others, I go to hell for not believing in your god.

Consider Islam

Most terrorist are not actually Muslim. Real Muslims are very peaceful, just like real Christians.

Consider the Chinese Legalists, the atheist Chinese as Shi Huangdi, first emperor of China

Atheism isn't a religion.

Consider the Communists

Communism isn't a religion.

The media, Hollywood, or TV, I have found, leave a more sinister and subconscious message than the missionaries have


There are 3 stations in the US that are Christian. No other channels are purely religious, or preach only for money.

they are no good missionary, because their actions should speak for themselves

If you join our religion we will give you food and medical attention. Yah... lots of choices there >.>
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Ding ding ding, commentator coming through. To pre-empt "back off, I'm not talking to you" comments, I will inform you now that while unsolicited interjections constitute poor etiquette, in a forum, you don't exactly need permission to address anybody, and if you should disagree, you should restrict your conversations to private channels.

Tolerance is not telling some one you will go to hell for not believing in my religion.


Something I find to be a conundrum for evangelists- even if one practiced tolerance, how is one to interpret the whole "going to hell" part? What troubles me is that the application this phrase often entails a judgement that, by my understanding of Christian theology, people simply are not entitled to.

Next...Atheism and Communism may not be religions but this is a weak semantical swipe: at least if you're willing to acknowledge that the forces at play here are better described as acts of groups of people and political factions, which I obviously reckon you should!

If you join our religion we will give you food and medical attention.


Falls under Parsat's description of a "bad missionary". A "good missionary" would be more along the lines of "here's food and water, we just happen to represent a religious group".

Note that religious missionary groups are highly successful in so-called oppressed and disadvantaged regions because they offer a service and metaphysical solution- both great sources of hope which have simply not been provided by other parties. This does not concern me because I frankly don't think that in itself it contributes to oppressive or intolerant elements within religious organisations.
Talo
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To pre-empt "back off, I'm not talking to you" comments, I will inform you now that while unsolicited interjections constitute poor etiquette, in a forum, you don't exactly need permission to address anybody, and if you should disagree, you should restrict your conversations to private channels.


I was being misquoted. Not what you thought.
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