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This is the continued 4th class thread minus the stupidity of what arose in the previous one...

NO IDEAS THAT ARE RANDOM WILL BE TOLERATED!!!!
This deals with one class idea ONLY!!!! No others.

Anyways, enough ranting... here is the current ability list which is subject to change within certain bounds.

This has been round one of nerfing⦠I focused on the completely overpowered Event Horizon. I discovered that coupled with Astral Wonders (maxed), you would be dealing 8400 damage per turn and since it is designed with an intent similar to Shock Therapy as a main bombardment attack, that wouldnât workâ¦


Wall of Light (CD: 1)â¨level 0/10 focusâ¨
A beam of light falls from a star upon you, making you almost invulnerable...â¨
Instill yourself with the two-turn buff "Light Wall" which decreases all damage taken by 80% for 2 turns

Gravity Disruption (CD: 1)â¨level 0/0 focusâ¨
Send a ball of displaced gravity hurtling towards your opponent, so that you may recover focus
Damage the target for 180% of your instinct to recover 60 focus over 2 turns

Gravity Well (CD: 1)â¨level 1/10 focus/ equipable 3 times
Bend space around the target, making it harder to cast spellsâ¨
Reduce the enemy's instinct by 20%/30%/40%/50%/60% and damage the enemy for 20% of your instinct for 5 turns

Magnetic Field (passive)â¨level 1â¨/ equipable 1 time
Slow all incoming attacks, reducing your damage.
Increase physical, fire, lightning, ice, earth, and shadow defense by 5%/10%/15%/20%/25%/30%

Vacuum â¨(CD: 1)level 1/10 focus/ equipable 3 times
â¨Suck the air away from a target, reducing their strengthâ¨
Reduce the target's strength by 20%/30%/40%/50%/60% and damage the enemy for 20% of your instinct for 5 turns

Event Horizon (CD: 3)â¨level 4/30 focus/ equipable 3 time
â¨Conjure a black hole, ready to devour your targetâ¨
Attack the target for 100%/110%/120%/130% of your Vitality and Instinct

Astral Form â¨(CD: 10) level 4/50 focus / equipable 1 timeâ¨
Become one with the stars.
Increase Instinct and Cosmic Piercing by 20%/30%, heal 5%/6%, and regenerate 50/100 focus per turn

Super Nova (CD:0)â¨level 18/all remaining focus/ equipable 8 times
Sacrifice yourself to destroy an opponent
â¨Reduces the target's HP by 10000%/20000%30000% of your vitality and instill the "Martyr"
debuff upon yourself, causing your life to be set to 0 at the end of your turn.

Dimensional Gate⨠level 15/20 focus/ equipable 1 time
â¨Create a wormhole around someone to reverse damage and healing â¨
Instill the retrograded buff upon the target

Astral Wonders (passive)â¨level 6/8% of health per turn
â¨Using arcane techniques, dramatically increase your instinct and speed.
Increase your instinct by 100%/150%/200%/250%/300% and speed by 10%/20%/30%/40%/50%

Solar Wind (CD:6) level 2/30 focus/ equipable 2 times
Call solar radiation down to cause interesting effectsâ¦
Creates debuff that reduces the targetâs cosmic defense by 10%/20%/30%, reduces the targetâs focus by 10/20/30 and stuns for 1/2/2 turns

Radiation Poisoning (CD: 4) level 4/15 focus/ equipable 3 times
Have you ever wondered what happens when you put a cat in a microwave? Try it out on your enemyâ¦
Creates a DoT debuff that damages the target 25%/30%/30%/30% of your instinct per turn for 8 turns and on the last turn for 100%/150%/200%/250% (does not stack)

Radioactivity (passive) level 6/30% of health per turn
Take severe automatic damage but increase all damage by 30%/40/50% and instill the lvl 1 radiation poisoning debuff after EVERY attack on ANY target

Prominence (CD: 10)â¨level 8/10% of HP/ equipable 1 time
â¨Call down an arc of plasma from the sun to destroy your enemiesâ¨
attack the target for 500/1000/1500% of your instinct and reduce the targetâs focus by 100

E<>mc^2 (CD: 10) level 19/10 focus/ equipable 1 times
Rip a hole in the fabric of space-time and see what happensâ¦
You have a 20%/40%/60%/80% chance of instilling the âRiftâ debuff which damages the enemy 10%/13%/15%/20% of their health each turn for 1/2/3/4 turns

Final Push (passive) level 20
If you are going down, you may as well take some of them with youâ¦
If you health drops below 15%, you receive the âFinal Pushâ buff, increasing your instinct by 500%, your cosmic piercing by 50%, all defenses by 60% and your speed by 50% for 1 turn

Radiation Build (low survivability, insanely high attack)
Gravity Well 1/5
Vacuum 1/5
Solar Wind 3/3
Magnetic Field 3/3
Radiation Poisioning 1/4
Radioactivity 3/3
Prominence 3/3 (Muahahahaaaa!!!)
Event Horizon 1/6
Astral Form 2/2
Cosmic Wonders 5/5
E<>MC^2 1/4
Final Push 1/1

Wheel
Wall of Light (if you want any chance of survival) 1x
Solar Wind 2x
Prominence 1x
Radiation Poisoning 3x
Astral Form 1x

Explanation:
This build is built around prominenceâs immense power. 1500% is unheard of elsewhere and with the might of radioactivity, the attack deals 2250% instinct. Virtually any single enemy will fall with this single attack. At endgame, you ought to have law binder/WotC which combined with everything else would give you about 450 instinct. This is 10000 damage! Let alone the massive power if you have astral form and the bonus from cosmic form. Just the instinct bonus from cosmic form yields 10462. If you add in final push, you just made this attack insane⦠52313 DAMAGE!!!!!!!!!! That is enough to one hit virtually every enemy on the game. If you managed to live long enough to hit the colonel while he is reloading, youâd hit around oh I donât know, say 250000!!!! Against single targets, this would be undeniably the most powerful build. No single enemy will stand. Only in groups do they stand a chance because of course, you may kill one, but prominence wonât roll around for quite a while, and you will be long gone by then⦠This is of course the downside. One huge attack and then youâre screwed. Basically, this is a boss killer.

Gravity Build (Good Damage, Good Survivability)
Gravity Well 5/5
Vacuum 5/5
Magnetic Field 3/3
Solar Wind 3/3
Event Horizon 6/6
Astral Form 2/2
Cosmic Wonders 5/5
E<>MC^2 4/4
Final Push 1/1

Wheel
Gravity Disruption 1x
Gravity Well 1x
Vacuum 1x
Solar Wind 2x
Event Horizon 2x
E<>MC^2 1x

Explanation:
This Build is built around being able to consistently hit with event horizon and solar wind. Because solar wind stuns for two turns and you have two, you would be extremely good at crowd control. Coupled with Gravity Well and Vacuum, you will be able to control the enemy quite easily. E<>MC is also a very nice attack in that you can hit a random enemy and in 4 turns they will be pretty well dead. The downside of this build is that you have to use gravity disruption a lot. Overall though this build would be very effective and is more reliable than the other.

Comparison of Builds:
While the first one undeniably deals the most damage of any attack on the game, it is very unlikely that you will live long enough to win. It is a tank killer. If in PvP mode and facing a Daimond Build (explained later) you could punch through his defenses but versus just about everything else, it is just about worthless. The very use of prominence almost kills you. Because you had to get radioactivity first and thus the 30% HP per turn, you receive 50% damage in one turn. The other is far more consistent and is great versus multiple targets.



Rock (CD:1)â¨level 0/10 focus/ equipable 1 time
I will... I will⦠ROCK YOU!!!
Damage your opponent for 150% of your strength and instill the "Rocky" debuff which damages the enemy for 50% of your strength per turn for 4 turns

Earthen Strike (CD:1)â¨level 0/nothing/ equipable 1 times
Attack your opponent with the earthâ¨
Damage your opponent with 150% of your strength

Subdue (CD:5)â¨level 1/15 focus/ equipable 3 times
â¨Attack the target to show your superiority
attack the target for 100%/120%/140%/160%/ 180%/200% of your strength and reduce theirs by 10%/20%/30%/40%/50%

Cripple⨠level 2/5 focus/ equipable 1 time
â¨Reduce the target's speed
â¨Reduce the target's speed by 10%/30%/50% with an attack that deals 100%/120%/140% of your strength

Speed Break (CD: 5) level 4/20 focus/ equipable 3 times
Force the target to take a defensive stance.
Reduce the targetâs speed by 50%/60%/70%/80% for five turns with a 500% bonus to hit and increase all of their defenses by 30%/25%/20%/15%

Melt (CD:12) level 12/ 3% of health/ equipable 1 time
Use your health to regenerate focus
Instill a buff that reduces your health by 3% and increases your focus by 50/100 each turn for 10 turns

Bury (CD:1)â¨level 1/20 focusâ¨/ equipable 1 time
attack a target and remove its ability to recieve healing⨠reduces healing received by 100% for 1/2/3/4/5 turns

Rock Wall (CD:5)â¨level 4/13 focusâ¨/ equipable 1 time
Put a wall of rock between yourself and your opponent for 1/2/3 turns
â¨You reduces damage dealt and taken by target by 100% (can be used on all)

Crush (CD:4)â¨level 6/30 focusâ¨/ equipable 3 times
Crush your opponent with a powerful attackâ¨
Attack your opponent with 200%/250%/300%/330% of your strength and reduce focus by 20/30/40/50

Petrify (CD:5)â¨level 8/20 focusâ¨/ equipable 1 time
Turn your target to stone, stunning them but greatly increasing their health.â¨
stuns enemy for 1/2/3/4 turns and increases their health for said duration by 100%/75%/50%/25%

Golem Form (CD:15)â¨level 8/50 focusâ¨/ equipable 1 time
Turn yourself into a living rock, increasing your defense and attack.
â¨increases all defenses by 20% and Strength by 25% for 5 turns

Powderize (CD:15)â¨level 15/75 focus/ equipable 1 time
â¨Cast a powerful bolt that returns their body to the dust from whence it came.
â¨attack the target for 300%/360%/420%/480%/550% of your strength

Slow Movement (passive)â¨level 5â¨
Increase your earth piercing at the cost of speedâ¨
Increase earth piercing by 50%/100%/150%/200%, decrease speed by 5%/10%/15%/20%

Regeneration (passive)â¨level 1
â¨Increase your health and focus regeneration
â¨Increase your health by 10/15/20 focus and 3%/4%/5% of your health per turn

Gaia (CD:99)â¨level 20/100 focus/ equipable 1 time
â¨Attempt to summon the earth to engulf your opponent, low chance to hit
â¨Deal 400%/500%/600%/700% of your strength with a 50% chance to hit

Rock Skin (passive)â¨level 10/5 focus per turnâ¨
Harden your skin to be like a rock, dramatically increasing your health.â¨
Increase your vitality by 100%/200%/300%/400% and reduce focus by 5/10/15/20 each turn.


Diamond Man Build (Insanely High defense/health)

Subdue 1/6
Rock Wall 3/3
Bury 1/5
Cripple 1/3
Regeneration 5/5
Slow Movement 4/4
Rock Skin 4/4
Crush 1/4
Golem Form 1/1
Powderize 1/5
Gaia 4/4

Wheel
Rock Wall 1x
Crush 3x
Golem Form 1x
Gaia 1x
Rock 1x
Earthen Strike 1x

Explanation:
This build is a freaking tank. Other classes have tanks, but if those are tanks, this is a bunker. This build has VERY low attack, but at the same time has very high survivability. It is not recommended for those with short attention spans, but for those who can stand to watch Roald do all the work, this is a good build. Against enemies that have high burst damage, you can simply activate rock wall and watch them try to hit youâ¦

Gaia Build (slow, but has super powerful attacks)

Bury 1/5
Cripple 1/3
Regeneration 5/5
Slow Movement 2/4
Rock Skin 2/4
Speed Break 4/4
Crush 4/4
Golem Form 1/1
Powderize 5/5
Gaia 4/4
Melt 2/2
Petrify 4/4

Wheel
Speed Break 1x
Crush 2x
Melt 1x
Golem Form 1x
Powderize 1x
Gaia 1x
Petrify 1x

Explanation:
This build is bloody slow! But that is not to say that it is weak. If you hit, you will slam them. It is recommended that you debuff them with speedbreak first so that you even have a chance to hit them⦠In general, this build is supported by Gaia, and melt. Because many of the attacks require large amounts of focus (especially gaia) it is critical to use melt whenever you can. Other than that, this is a pretty effective buildâ¦

Comparison of Builds:
While at first glance, it appears that someone can get all the power of both builds, you must look carefully. I knew that some would try and as such, made it so that the attacks and passives scale very slowly. This means that you practically have to be level 30 before you can use all the power of either build. This also means that while you can mix and match, it wonât matter. You will just end up with something decent, but only decent. In general, both builds have high HP and good attacks, but one is awesome at one thing and the other for the other. I do not recommend the earth tree for someone until they are at least in zone 3. Before that, you just arenât high enough of a level to use all the abilities necessaryâ¦

Thank you for your time, and I hope that this can be more productive...

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VoltCruelerz
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No, astral wonders is to charged blood as radioactivity is to hot blooded...

I'll reply to the other stuff in bout 15 min... gotta eat...

dacer
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i wonder when krin will be finshed with the update, lol i cant wait... maybe he'll add this job with GOOD damage ratios.

Jerkoid
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Yeah, just seeing Volt's build makes me excited

That sounded wrong as I typed it, lol... but I'll keep it because it's what I meant.

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Oh.. you were looking at Rock Skin... I guess you haven't seen the build tree...

here ya go...
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x111/VoltCruelerz/Picture2.png

That ought to make it more understandable... While buffing instinct is possible, buffing vit won't happen...

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1.That's ******. I really like Prominence now lol. Kinda dangerous without heals. But who can survive 1500% Instinct? I'm sorry, 4500% because of Astral Wonders? (because who wouldn't get that?)

2.Nice fix to E=mc2... still too powerful in PVM, methinks, but cool.

3.I like the speed, etc. debuffs too .

4.Though I like all the health-sacrificing stuff to counter Rock Skin. Except it's still really buff, because while 8% of your health might hurt you more when you have triple vit, other people's attacks still hurt the same. ...Which is the point, I guess. Veradux can still keep you very much alive, though, so it still seems too strong for a passive. I don't know, maybe it could be at the bottom of the skill tree or something.

5.What is the philosophy behind sacrificial attacks? Why is an astral person suicidal?

6.Oh, and if you have Radioactivity and you keep attacking one person, does it refresh Radiation Poisoning?

7.Astral Form is a bit rigged compared to other forms. You should also look at all the damages and think about Astral Wonders.



1. Why not? This probably makes more sense since you see the tree... You nearly die in one turn with it... That's why...

2. I'll do some more in the next round of nerfing...

3. Thanks.

4. Addressed by previous post...

5. Because there is no other class that explores the concept of all-out offense, which to balance, must yield the players death... (Besides, you can't have an attack named "Super Nova" if it doesn't deal more damage than any other on the game...

6. It does NOT stack, it refreshes (with the exception of the one caused by radioactivity, that is considered a different debuff)

7. I'll change it so it increases piercing rather than instinct...


Hope you like those answers...
Bronze
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I really just want to see Krin acknowledge this thread...maybe one of us should sacrifice themselves to the krinlab forums (if you can even get in)...

dacer
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theres a very smal chance he will, since he already statred making it... so yea. but hope he dose :P

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You guys really worked on it.

VoltCruelerz
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Thank you Firetail...

Well... I doubt that I'll get the next cosmic build up tonight, but maybe tomorrow morning...

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Another cosmic build?!

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Wall of Light (CD: 1)�level 0/10 focus�
A beam of light falls from a star upon you, making you almost invulnerable...�
Instill yourself with the two-turn buff "Light Wall" which decreases all damage taken by 80% for 2 turns


Most of it looks good, but I agree that the moves here make this class a lot more powerfull than the others. I foud this move particularly so. If it reduces damage more than the move that most represents it in the origional sonny game (the one that you start out with and see in the tutorial in Sonny 2), and still has a shorter coll down time. I think that the CD should be 8 at least. It also doesn't specigy how many times it can be applied.
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The skill tree is nice, but I wouldn't have any qualms about throwing three skill points away and picking up the essential Regeneration on the way to Rock Skin, if I get 200 or 400% more vitality for it.

Prominence would not kill you. How would 5% instinct kill you in one turn? If it would, then =O something is wrong. I don't think there should be any move in the game that can kill anything in one hit. It makes it boring.

I think the focus costs are a smidge low when you consider that you can regen 60 focus with one attack, or 20 focus every turn with regeneration. Besides that I like how regen counters the costs of your attacks. It's close to perfect.

BTW, this is only one person's opinion so don't think I'm right or anything.

Solar Wind is Traumatize plus a defense reducer... or Traumatize and mini-Dark Echoes if you want to look at it that way. That's a bit strong.

I see the logic behind the sacrificial build (which isn't really true, because I rely on Impair and that other hot hydro attack to deal a lot of damage), but there's still no philosophy. Why would somebody in the study of cosmolology want to sacrifice his body? Seeking enlightenment? Detachment from the world?

I guess it doesn't really matter

So now Astral Wonders is the cold hydro's piercing passive plus a part of the bio's stats passive... I guess that could be balanced with armor and stuff. That would work, I believe.

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You might get in.

I agree with Jerkoid.

You might wanna be a cosmic maybe for the sense of power?

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@firetail: I meant the newest nerfed version of the build...

Which is at the bottom of this post: (fixed rock skin by making it anti instinct)

Well, I know we are just working on the cosmic here but since you mentioned it:

Rock Skin (passive)â¨level 10/5 focus per turnâ¨
Harden your skin to be like a rock, dramatically increasing your health.â¨
Increase your vitality by 100%/200%/300%/400%, reduce instinct by 100%/200%/300%/400% and reduce focus by 5/10/15/20 each turn.

Oh and "How would prominence kill you?" It wouldn't right away, but...

Because you are radioactive, you lose 30% of your health per turn. You use prominence on your first turn and reduce health by 20% plus instilling another debuff upon yourself... This means that on the first turn of the game, you take 55% of your health as damage and every turn after that for a while 35%... That is why it comes close to killing you...(if not flat out doing it...)

I'll nerf it a smidge so as not to kill the mayor, but no more than that...

well here is the 4/5 round of nerfs (I think)

Wall of Light (CD: 4)â¨level 0/50 focusâ¨
A beam of light falls from a star upon you, making you almost invulnerable...â¨
Instill yourself with the two-turn buff "Light Wall" which decreases all damage taken by 80% for 2 turns

Gravity Disruption (CD: 1)â¨level 0/0 focusâ¨
Send a ball of displaced gravity hurtling towards your opponent, so that you may recover focus
Damage the target for 120% of your instinct to recover 60 focus over 2 turns

Gravity Well (CD: 1)â¨level 1/10 focus/ equipable 3 times
Bend space around the target, making it harder to cast spellsâ¨
Reduce the enemy's instinct by 10%/13%/15%/17% and damage the enemy for 40% of your instinct for 5 turns

Magnetic Field (passive)â¨level 1â¨/ equipable 1 time
Slow all incoming attacks, reducing your damage.
Increase physical, fire, lightning, ice, earth, and shadow defense by 5%/10%/15%/20%

Vacuum â¨(CD: 1)level 1/10 focus/ equipable 3 times
â¨Suck the air away from a target, reducing their strengthâ¨
Reduce the target's strength by 10%/13%/15%/17% and damage the enemy for 40% of your instinct for 5 turns

Event Horizon (CD: 3)â¨level 4/30 focus/ equipable 3 time
â¨Conjure a black hole, ready to devour your targetâ¨
Attack the target for 100%/120%/140%/160%/180%/200% of your Vitality and Instinct

Astral Form â¨(CD: 10) level 4/50 focus / equipable 1 timeâ¨
Become one with the stars.
Increase Cosmic Piercing by 20%/30%, heal 5%/6%, and regenerate 50/100 focus per turn

Super Nova (CD:0)â¨level 18/all remaining focus/ equipable 8 times
Sacrifice yourself to destroy an opponent
â¨Reduces the target's HP by 5000%/10000%15000% of your vitality and instill the "Martyr"
debuff upon yourself, causing your life to be set to 0 at the end of your turn.

Dimensional Gate⨠level 15/20 focus/ equipable 1 time
â¨Create a wormhole around someone to reverse damage and healing â¨
Instill the retrograded buff upon the target

Astral Wonders (passive)â¨level 6/10% of health per turn
â¨Using arcane techniques, dramatically increase your instinct and speed.
Increase your instinct by 100%/125%/150%/175%/200% and speed by 1%/2%/3%/4%/5%

Solar Wind (CD:6) level 2/30 focus/ equipable 2 times
Call solar radiation down to cause interesting effectsâ¦
Creates debuff that reduces the targetâs cosmic defense by 5%/10%/15%, reduces the targetâs focus by 10/20/30 and stuns for 1/2/2 turns but increase healing received by 35%/30%/25%

Radiation Poisoning (CD: 4) level 4/15 focus/ equipable 3 times
Have you ever wondered what happens when you put a cat in a microwave? Try it out on your enemyâ¦
Creates a DoT debuff that damages the target 5%/10%/14%/17%/20% of your instinct per turn for 8 turns and on the last turn for 100%/150%/200%/200%/200% (does not stack)

Radioactivity (passive) level 6/30% of health per turn
Take severe automatic damage but increase all direct damage by 30%/40/50% and instill the lvl 1 radiation poisoning debuff after EVERY attack on ANY target (friendly or enemy)

Prominence (CD: 10)â¨level 8/20% of HP/ equipable 1 time
â¨Call down an arc of plasma from the sun to destroy your enemiesâ¨
Attack the target for 300/800/1300% of your instinct, reduce the targetâs focus by 100, set your focus to 0, instill yourself with the level 1 Radiation Poisoning debuff, and prevent focus regeneration for yourself and the target for 2 turns, and increase your vulnerability to direct damage by 50%.

E<>mc^2 (CD: 10) level 19/10 focus/ equipable 1 times
Rip a hole in the fabric of space-time and see what happensâ¦
You have a 20%/40%/60%/80% chance of instilling the âRiftâ debuff which damages the enemy 10%/13%/15%/20% of their health each turn for 1/2/3/4 turns, but increases healing received by 40%

Final Push (passive) level 20
If you are going down, you may as well take some of them with youâ¦
If you health drops below 15%, you receive the âFinal Pushâ buff, increasing your instinct by 500%, your cosmic piercing by 50%, all defenses by 60% and your speed by 50% for 1 turn

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Where does it say you lose 20% of your health?

:O @ rock skin! Now I wouldn't get that. Makes it useless with the whole sky side of this class.

Final push is kind of dumb. Nobody else gets to make an instant kill just because they are dying... even though it throws in some really cool strategies, and isn't likely to happen often on such a weak character class. It's pretty cool...

I think I'm running out of feedback.

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