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Vert3x
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Hey guys, I'm back! After reading around, it looks to me like the other topics are a little too hot right now, so I'm making my own. What do ya guys think? Are all humans, by instinct, selfish?

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FireflyIV
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it's naturally, part of the human mind...


Not nescessarily. All emotions are derivations from the primal fight or flight response. All higher emotion levels are determined by environment and attatchment types and so vary. There are certainly correlations between specific emotions and environments, but other than fight or flight nothing else is innate.
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That may be true, but listen to this, if you were going to be killed or whatever the worst thing you can think of is, unless you killed someone, would you? That is almost always yes, unless you think you wouldn't, i'm sure you would, thus proving that selfishness is part of the human mind, you cant not be selfish

FireflyIV
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That is almost always yes, unless you think you wouldn't, i'm sure you would, thus proving that selfishness is part of the human mind, you cant not be selfish


Odd sentence, although many natural experiments would prove otherwise. For example, studies conducted during war time and other extremely dangerous environments have shown many people to act selflessley, even in the face of death. It is not absolute, although many would kill, many would also choose to be killed.
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self-interest is very different to selfishness, if you are truly interested look up the origins of capitalism

hoboonfire
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Alric is right

Alric
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self-interest is very different to selfishness, if you are truly interested look up the origins of capitalism


You're right. I think what we have here is confusion over which we're discussing. I think I could summarize my previous posts by saying:

Self-interest is innate; selfishness or selflessness are learned.

Alric
FireflyIV
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Self-interest is innate


Very debatable and highly contentious among the psychological community. There are numerous studies supporting either side of the argument. None of it is absolute fact.
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Yes all humans are selfish, its genetic, if we werent selfish we wouldnt want things if we didnt want things we wouldnt try to get things. If we didnt try to get things and we wouldnt be here. Anyone who is more selfish then others is just unable to control it

Alric
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You're arguing that self-interest is innate? You're telling me that the survival instinct is an illusion? A social construction? Hunger is a learned response? Seriously?

Alric

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It would seem to me that humans are selfish through self-preservation. If we feel pain, we seek to stop it by whatever means, if we feel afraid we'll do whatever we can to find a safe place and state of mind and being. An example would be hunger. If your hungry for a long enough time you begin to feel pains in your stomach and you start to feel weak. You need to eat something desperetaly or you'll strave to death and the fear of not knowing where you next meal comes from will cause adrenalin to flow through your system increasing strength and heightened senses such as hearing, smell, and sight. This aides in the hunt for the next meal and to get you'll go about any means possible even if it means beating somebody else to it. Their are stories of people in consentration camps during the holocaust beating each other almost to death for just a scrap of dryed bread left over from the nazi's meals. I think that it is an instinct we all posess.

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"No one is perfect"?


Excuse me?
FireflyIV
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You're arguing that self-interest is innate? You're telling me that the survival instinct is an illusion? A social construction? Hunger is a learned response? Seriously?


No I'm arguing that self interest is not innate. The fight or flight system covers all the basic human needs.
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humans are naturally selfish though some poeple are selfish but not that thats bad its just natural some people can try not to be selfish some succeed but most do not

FireflyIV
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Hunger is a learned response? Seriously?


In addition, hunger isn't a response or an emotion, it is a biological state. It is a stimuli to find food. The manner in which each human would go about that depends on various other situational factors, not an innate characteristic.
Alric
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The fight or flight system covers all the basic human needs.


You're oversimplifying human beings. How does fight or flight relate to hunger? How does either of those responses cause hunger, other than the obvious need to ingest more calories to maintain the ability to do either?

You're right, hunger is a stimulus; our body is telling us we need more food to continue surviving. I was being facetious. Let's not argue semantics.

Alric
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