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Yakooza99K
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Why are all socialist countries authoritarians? I mean really, they're usualy dictated, like mao, stalin, Kim Jong Ill, Ho Chi Minh, and castro,

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Vert3x
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Haha, than U.S. is Communist! lol :P
Obama is the new FDR come to introduce a new New Deal! Socialism for everyone!!! (sarcastic cheer)

orion732
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*Sigh* My friend always rants about how Obama is going to turn the US into a Communist state, and most of it's just insanity. He once told me that one of Obama's slogans was used before by three people-all of them communist. And I just sigh and tell him to stop ranting because he's just full of bolshevik

orion732
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Get it? Bolshevik=bullshit

caucasiafro
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This is a tough one.
1st socialism isnt communisim


capitalisim (Laissez-faire)
pros:
goverment doesnt control or have any control over any aspect of the econamy (might be a con)
people are able to seek prosperity freely and on there own
people are able to buy and sell anything freely

cons:
it is possible for one person to own the magority of the nation/world bussinesees and may be able to chrge what ever they want (this happens in fairs and movie theaters)
poeple on control may be coruppt and not follow laws(although there shoulnd be any in Laissez-faire capitolism)

Communism (not socialism)
Pros:
in theory everyone makes the same amount of money so no one will be poor (personally i cant think of much more, sorry kind of biased)
historicly speaking comunism work for getting a totalitarion monarcy on its feet (China)
cons:
communist countries are almost always dictatorships which gives the goverment the ability to take aways human right and what not

Socialism
Pros: being esentoly a mix of communisim and capitolism the goverment has some control of the econamy and makes sure people obaye a set of laws
people are still able to buy and sell freely
Our (US, were i am) puplic school system can be consitered socialism
FDIC insurance can be consitered socialism

cons:
in a new develpoing country, without a set a rules like a constitution inplace, it is possible it could become communism
poor people will stop dieing so offten razing the world population until it can not be sustaned and the world ends ()
your stock in life and medical insurace componises will plumite

CCRevival
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Haha, than U.S. is Communist! lol :P

False.
Vert3x
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Also, its easy to tell if a country is Communism/Socialist or not.
COMMUNISM = ALL ARE EQUAL.
If anyone has more rights than the others, than its not a Communist country.
Didn't you say that? The United States was founded on the principle that all men are equal. Thus, it must be Communist :P
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well, I know people have said this before, but socialism just can't work. It's basically communism as far as the economy side of things goes, and communism just fails. IF communism were actually what it said it was and IF people weren't selfish, it would work. The problem is, communism almost never is what the government tells the people it is like, and People are selfish. We (especially Americans) don't think ahead, so If we can benefit now by getting food because of the work of someone else, without us working at all, we will. For example, I should be doing my schoolwork right now, but I'm not because I benefit in the here and now (by getting to mess around on the internet) but screw myself over in the long run (Not having schoolwork done when it is due. Socialism just cannot work unless all people are equal..ly hardworking. Everyone, if they get paid the same whether or not they work, will just sit around doing nothing and the economy will crash. another example:
the U.S. Economy has had more bad happen to it in the past month or so that Obama's been president and doen his socialist stuff than before, because the people that decide what happens to the money don't trust him and his $800 billion gift baggies to crappy companies.

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Thus, it must be Communist :P


The US was founded on freedoms of the individual. Although in communism, economic and social status are equal, in the build up to Communism many freedoms are restricted, especially during the dictatorship of the proletariat.
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I don't call a country communist until there are not people that live on the streets and people that make millions of dollars.

Communist
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I basically think that any socialist nation still in existence refuses to accept the fact that an undeveloped nation trying to become developed using communism is doomed to fail unless supported by a fully industrialized socialist nation with similar goals towards communism. We need capitalism or something similar for communism to exist.
The totalitarian part of it is mainly the first/second stage of the Marxist theory, which requires excessive government control to prevent a capitalist counter revolution and any sort of unintentional crime that could arise after the revolution has been completed. Once there, the government must begin to give more power to the workers and allow them to control their own economy as human greed is slowly being dissolving from the people as they see what they could achieve when they work for the sake of each other. The only problem is that it is hard to see a dictator who actually practices Marxism. Lenin may have done a good job with his newer revisions to adjust to Russian soil, but who knows? He died and Stalin took over.

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i remember in world geo that communistic dictatorships and satilite countries controlled by such said develop radically slower rather than capitalist democracies (free market)

but of course when has there ever been a communistic govt that hasn't been corrupt?

caucasiafro
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There is 'socialist market economy' were there is a mix of both forms of ownership which seems to be successful.

Zorae42
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but of course when has there ever been a communistic govt that hasn't been corrupt?


Well, communism works on small scales i.e. a small village/town.

So, like the native americans got really close to communism.... Of course, once you take it to a larger scale it doesn't work
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Socialism is a great idea in paper. But when people get there, the all thing become nothing.

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What is wrong with Socialism? All you guys that think Socialism works with Communism, leave. We are here to learn, not to be swept aside from ignorant generalizations.

Now then, if it wasn't for Socialism, which is in a sense taking power away from strong companies and businesses, major corporations like Walmart or (back then) Ford industries would get powerful trusts and gain a monopoly over all other competing organizations. What does this do to prices? THEY RAISE THEM UP. Consumers would have nothing to do but grit their teeth and pay up, because they have no choice. There isn't another company that's going to offer them goods, it's just Walmart. Socialism steps in and limits their hold on the market by limiting their investments and trusts.

You guys have that in the USA by the way. It's been around LONG before Obama was around to, just
throwing that out there for ya. Just like the wannabes, blindly following the cool group,
automatically agreeing with them because they think that whatever they say is so correct. PFFT.

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