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Drace
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I think there are major steps that are ought to be taken for the improvement of US education.

The national results in international comparisons have often been far below the average of developed countries. In OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment 2003, 15 year olds ranked 24th of 38 in mathematics, 19th of 38 in science, 12th of 38 in reading, and 26th of 38 in problem solving.[75] In the 2006 assessment, the U.S. ranked 35th out of 57 in mathematics and 29th out of 57 in science. Reading scores could not be reported due to printing errors in the instructions of the U.S. test booklets. U.S. scores were far behind those of most other developed nations.[76] . Bill Gates believes that the American high school is "obsolete"


Thats some statistics for you. I can feel the ineffectiveness myself, being a student.

I can honestly say that I don't learn shit! Maybe some things in math, but forget next year. Were given kiddy assignments to do just for the sake of having enough total points. Your in 8th grade and they ask you to fill in a map. In 9th grade, you have to make a soundtrack that relates to some dam fiction book no one cares about.
The A graders seem to be the ones that obey unquestioningly.

Where do teachers get their ineffective methods anyway?


In some classes, I feel I know more then my teacher. Maybe this is bad luck but my biology teacher hardly knows what his talking about and I can catch him give the wrong answers..

I wana learn dammit
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tennisman24
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The rest is how unsupportive the teachers are.


Yea that is true, in Florida we have FCAT ( the state tests) and they freak out about it. And if the students do good on the FCAT the teachers get a raise. I really dont think they care about you that much and they arent very supportive.
Green12324
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Yea that is true, in Florida we have FCAT ( the state tests) and they freak out about it. And if the students do good on the FCAT the teachers get a raise. I really dont think they care about you that much and they arent very supportive.


We don't have those here in Illinois. Maybe that's partly why my experience has been better.
ShintetsuWA
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I have some motivation for you. Let's do the Jap thing. If you can't pass a class you repeat it. If you can't pass High school exams, you don't make the cut and you get kicked out and have to start working for a living doing manual retard labor.



Erm...no. Let's take it from me, this "Jap" you are talking about. So much for "learning", right?

You take elementary school, then you take middle school. This, unlike some school systems, is where
it REALLY counts. Middle school, not high school. Whatever grades you get there determines what
school you go to for the next grade. The highest, brightest, and most intuitive students go to
the big schools, where they go for all the "important" professions. Those that do decent, 2nd-rate
grades, go to the less fancy, but still pretty good schools, that teach other good jobs. Averages
go for normal jobs that basically anyone with a 2 year college education can get. Those that
do poorly, well, tough luck, they get those that anyone with a high school education can get, those
that offer part-time, and very rarely get full time.

Same thing with finishing high school. Grades determine what school you get. Those that get the
good jobs have proven to the system that they deserve that job, who cares if it seems boring to
some? That's what's going through their minds. Those that "don't care", they get jobs offered by
employers that "don't care".

It's all preparing for real labor. What you got now is nothing compared to real work, which
is why they test you for that, boredom, harshness, challenges, those things.

Seriously though. Jap? Is that the best you can do, American't?
Ocilet
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My point, school is actualy dumb, you are ranked on how "Intelligent" you are with repetitve questions and exams, I say at a resonable age you should choose you'r job, go into a 3-4 year training course on it, and start doing it, not waste 18 years on you'r life, sleeping and slacking through schools with teacher who only care about money.

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Seriously though. Jap? Is that the best you can do, American't?

That was perhaps the perfect reply to that racial slur.
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I think that the learning system in US schools isn't flexible enough. For example, I read at a college level and if I skipped from 6th grade to my fourth year in high school, I would still maintain straight As, except in math. I would get a C+ in math. If the learning system was more flexible, then I would enjoy school much more. I would be taking my college level literature, my senior-level world history, and my 9th grade math, and I would be challenged and happy. But sadly, this is not the case. I am taking a slightly easy math class, a very easy science class, an arbitrary literature/writing class, and an extremely easy social studies class. There just isn't enough flexibility.
Ocilet
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My point, school is actualy dumb, you are ranked on how "Intelligent" you are with repetitve questions and exams, I say at a resonable age you should choose you'r job, go into a 3-4 year training course on it, and start doing it, not waste 18 years on you'r life, sleeping and slacking through schools with teacher who only care about money.

ShintetsuWA
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I think that the learning system in US schools isn't flexible enough. For example, I read at a college level and if I skipped from 6th grade to my fourth year in high school, I would still maintain straight As, except in math. I would get a C+ in math. If the learning system was more flexible, then I would enjoy school much more. I would be taking my college level literature, my senior-level world history, and my 9th grade math, and I would be challenged and happy. But sadly, this is not the case. I am taking a slightly easy math class, a very easy science class, an arbitrary literature/writing class, and an extremely easy social studies class. There just isn't enough flexibility.


So you're saying we should have a system based on how good you are at something, not by age? I could
go with that one. Elementary school, and middle school, no, but highschool, you probably
already have a good idea on what you want to be, and you can take your classes on from there.
Obviously, you have no clue what you're doing in elementary/middle, so that's why I took that out.
thisisnotanalt
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I'm actually in middle school now. 6th grade. And bored to tears if it weren't for my friends and my fun teachers.

ShintetsuWA
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It gets better, trust me, I was in the same boat as you were. 3 years later, you're gonna be like
"So if I do this, and make it better, then....OMG I KNOW THIS!", and things just keep getting
better and better by the minute. If teachers make it boring, make it fun for you by yourself. It
works better than it sounds.

thisisnotanalt
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OK then, I hope so! ^_^
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But still, more flexibility would be welcome. Also, I just have lost a lot of motivation. For example, we just had a 100 point writing assignment a while ago. I wrote a story in ten minutes and got an A+ on it. It makes me sad :[

paintballer222
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This is kinda random cause i'm not reading the thread i'm just gonna say this. I don't like going to school but look at it this way if we never went to school or had anyone ever teach us anything what would we do in life? There would be no cars cause no one would have the knowledge to build one. We wouldn't be using computers cause we wouldn't know what letters are what and how to read. We wouldn't be able to talk. We wouldn't have a single invention. So before going and saying how much you hate school think about would the world would be like with no knowledge.

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They say that the Finnish school system is one of the best in the world... But I don't know is it true....

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