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SirLegendary
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What do you think of Hitler as a person. Some would say he is awesome some like me would say he wasnt a very good person. And maybe what your saying is true.

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IPwnU2Day
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His actions were evil, but he is one of the most brilliant leaders.

Think about this (quotes mean it is an equivalent): He started as a chancellor in the German "Congress". After the current president of Germany died he then took over as president. By trampling their "Constitution" he secured all the power of the country to himself. He then was able to convert an entire country to socialism under their noses without even knowing it. He nationalized the news, banks, healthcare, and manufacturing. Some of that already was, but he finished it off. With all of the power in his hands he then led his people to commit the evil deed that was the Holocaust.

And the saddest part is the Barack Housein Obama is doing the exact same thing right now. I'm not saying there is going to be a holocaust, but he is ruining America.

All in all, Hitler was evil; but he was a genius.

TSL3_needed
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No, he was a vile and despicable shell of a human being. However, I admire him as a leader overall.

the_manta
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Agreed, TSL3. While he was a terrible, hollow piece of soulless skin, he was an admirable leader when it came to strategy.

goumas13
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While he was a terrible, hollow piece of soulless skin, he was an admirable leader when it came to strategy.

He was good, but he made a huge mistake attacking Russia and marching quickly deeper and deeper. Also he was a great manipulator, he used well the words to achieve his goal's.
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Also he was a great manipulator, he used well the words to achieve his goal's.


For a politician, that's an excellent trait.

"The people are more likely to fall for one big lie, than a bunch of small ones."-
Adolf Hitler
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You know, I still wonder why this thread is discussing whether or not he was a good person, instead of good leader. It's a given he wasn't a good person, but leader could be debated.

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he made a huge mistake attacking Russia and marching quickly deeper and deeper.


Excluding that, of course. Historical failure.
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he was an admirable leader when it came to strategy.


I actually disagree. It wasn't him doing all the strategy. It was his generals, particularly Erwin Rommel. They would even suggest strategies to Hitler, but he would be too stubborn to listen and think that his idea was the better of the two. Hitler is the greatest villain in human history. He was a complete psychopath and only rose to power because the current government of Germany at the time sucked and people were desperate for change, so they would look to anyone. This increased when he published Mein Kampf. Why? Because, everyone in Germany was so desperate for change, that they would even listen to the psychopath who started a failed Revolution. He committed treason against Germany by doing this. He was supposed to go to jail for 5 years, but for some stupid reason, it was reduced to 9 months. I find this even more strange, because in most countries, treason is punishable by death. What's more, is that (and I don't know if this took place before or after he went to prison) the building where the Reichstag (the equivalent to Congress) held their sessions was mysteriously set on fire. The man who was accused and beheaded for it, Marinus van der Lubbe, was posthumously pardoned for it just last year. Many speculate that it was Hitler who did it.
Oh, and he did cause the Holocaust, just so you know. Millions of innocent people were killed. Not just jews, but catholics, gypsies, the mentally challenged, etc. were also victims.

So, Hitler was neither a great person or strategist. However, what he did was almost necessary for the German people. After WWI, the Treaty of Versailles made Germany take full responsibility for starting the war and the war itself. They had to pay for damages for their own country, and the others countries that were involved. This made Germans very bitter. They were just getting out of that hole, and then comes the Great Depression. So, in retrospect, Hitler saved that country, but, he was a horrible human being and strategist.
The only reason the U.S. was ever involved in WWI was because of British propaganda. They would accuse the Germans of silly, heinous actions such as eating their babies and Germany couldn't retort to these allegations because the British had put a blockade on them.

Hope that was helpful.
goumas13
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He was one of the greatest politicians of modern times, he gave to the German people what they wanted, promises of power and wealth.

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I actually disagree. It wasn't him doing all the strategy. It was his generals, particularly Erwin Rommel.

I don't agree with that he decided who and when they should attack. His generals made only the strategic planes, so that they could realize his plans.
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And the saddest part is the Barack Housein Obama is doing the exact same thing right now. I'm not saying there is going to be a holocaust, but he is ruining America.


He hasn't even been in office for a year. What the hell do you want him to do, turn things around in a month? Jesus Christ!
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And the saddest part is the Barack Housein Obama is doing the exact same thing right now. I'm not saying there is going to be a holocaust, but he is ruining America.

All great men have enemies, that means that he is great.
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I don't agree with that he decided who and when they should attack.


Yes, but that is always overshadowed by one huge mistake he made.
Pas-de-Calais was the target of Operation Fortitude during World War II, which was an Allied plan to deceive the Germans that the invasion of Europe at D-Day was to occur here, rather than in Normandy.
He fell for it. Even when there were signs that we (the U.S., Britain, etc.) were going to invade at Normandy.
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As well, if they were to have caught him.. they would humiliate him putting him up in some museum and people would be allowed to spit on him. (Lol)


Something similar happened to Mussolini (although what you said never actually happened).
He was betrayed by his own countrymen, and then hung from a lamp post upside down in Rome I believe.
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He was betrayed by his own countrymen

He wasn't betrayed, these guys never wanted him they were partisans, they fought against him from the beginning.
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