I get the feeling that the response here will differ from other forums due to the demographics. I see a lot of jokes from most of you about how the age of people you'd be interested in would qualify as "minors" because most of you are minors yourself!
I think that loud and clear shows you my views, but essentially I think the cases in this article highlight the inadequacy of the legal system and the model it currently follows in the face of new technology and modes of communication as well as dynamics. I can only hope that it will catch up at some point.
One other thing: please, no jokes about the speaker's name!
Yea, sadly it's true, but I wouldn't have thought they'd do it during a game of spin the bottle. With others watching and all. A little decorum please?
Oh, most don't 13 year olds at my school get straight to the point.
Peter Cumming
...(try not to laugh.)
I don't think sexting is all that bad. It's just young teens being curious... of what other people look like... for pleasure... and possibly for other reasons...
Child molesters...rapists...blackmailers....anything can stem from what some may perceive as a fun and harmless little activity.
Time to introduce the notion of uninformed risk taking. My impression is that the vast majority of youth who 'sext' (such an unappealing term) have no clue what kind of trouble it might land them in, and if they did, like youth, they'd downplay it.
Properly managed, that particular risk ain't that great but nonetheless naive little kids don't realise that pictures of their weiner might end up circulating a hell of a lot more freely if things go south! That's the bigger risk.
What scares the adults is that they too are not well informed as to the risks, or their actual magnitude. It's a well known pearl of adult wisdom- the more you know, the more you know about how little you really know.
And seriously. All my classmates are such squares. They balk at the notion of playing strip-poker and spin the bottle. They don't even want to play truth or dare. They don't even want to do anything for dares! And don't get me started on how hard it is to get them engaged in drinking games. I don't even feel the pinch of giving up drinking because they're so unadventurous...I had to work so hard just to get them to play I've never...
jesus this guys name is Peter Cumming wtf i guess it makes sense he would be the guy to write a paper on childhood sexuality. He's probably also the head of the international authority on fruity names IAFN for short.
yeah lemme take a picture of my balls don't worry its just like spin the bottle except there's no bottle and there's no one sitting in a circle but its exactly like spin the bottle
"Technology does change things, and there can be very serious consequences" Cumming said.
excuse me but i had a camera when i was a teenager you didn't see me taking pictures of my junk and sending it to people
"A distinction has to be made between nudity and child porn," he added.
betcha 20 bucks we're gonna see this Peter Cumming guy on To Catch A Predator with Chris Hanson
No matter what its still child pornography. There's no provision in child pornography laws that says its okay to have it and make it if your underage or if your a willing participant. Child pornography is illegal because it causes harm to children when its made, sold and owned.
yeah lemme take a picture of my balls don't worry its just like spin the bottle except there's no bottle and there's no one sitting in a circle but its exactly like spin the bottle
I lol'd.
excuse me but i had a camera when i was a teenager you didn't see me taking pictures of my junk and sending it to people
I lol'd.
betcha 20 bucks we're gonna see this Peter Cumming guy on To Catch A Predator with Chris Hanson
I lol'd.
But in all seriousness, I like Deth, think it's unnecessary to 'sext' someone. If I'm going to unleash the beast, it'll only be for live shows.
I very much hope you're being sarcastic..Because if not, you need a serious look into mental readjustment and maybe a glance at the legal system. Some of the stuff I hear you say on the sex-related threads disturbs me, and I can never tell if you're serious or of if you're joking.
*Sigh*, sarcasm doesn't carry well over the internet, does it
The difficulty I see with the issue of minors not feeling like they are a minor & deciding to send people nude photos of themselves may seem to them like they're not hurting anyone, but it has potential to damage someone's life beyond repair.
I've chatted up women online, and there are *ahem* a few of which there have been some.. we'll say 'racy' photos exchanged. I'm trusting their word that they're my age but if they were actually a minor, I would be in posesssion of illegal material, and I could, and very likely would if it were discovered, be persecuted & labelled as a sexual predator or deviant because some kid thought it would be fun to take photos of their naughty bits and send them to people online.
There is a reason why you have to *be* a certain age to star in a pornographic film, or to show up in Playboy magazine or whatever. It's a law that's protecting the person making the pornography by ensuring that they are matured & of an age where they can decide for themselves, as well as the people who are using it.
meh, i don't trust those online chats... when they send you photoes 9/10 times its them taking a hot girls picture off google and sending it to you lol... So really I can't trust that kinda thing. Sending text photo's... its just stupid. I mean this girl sent her's to my friend, and he just sent it to all his friends... So when she complained to me about it i kinda just laughed and said, well save this stuff for the bedroom..
It's an odd topic the legal system never really covered. These youth are sending the pics themselves without being forced in any way. It probably shouldn't be considered child porn, but it should be sexual harassment.
It's an odd topic the legal system never really covered.
If you're talking about the U.S.A.'s policy on it, which makes the most sense given the original article the topic is based after - That's the thing. The legal system *has* already covered it. All models depicted in pornographic content have to be 18 or older. It's a law at the federal level. It doesn't matter if you're a minor & a willing participant.
One other thing: please, no jokes about the speaker's name!
Butbutbutt!
Sit in a circle (mixed company unless you don't swing that way, haha). Have a bottle in the middle and take turns spinning it. Whoever it points to, you have to kiss or else pay some money. Seems to have been superceded by sexting.
Our version of spin the bottle is more fun. Whoever is to spin the bottle states a thing that whoever the one the bottle ends up pointing at must do (or be a chicken!!). It can be a wide variety of things, obviously. Had a quite fun session of it in an anime club I'm in a couple of years ago, no one had their own pants on at the end because someone decided swapping clothes was funny~ Also, kissing be popular choice.
As for dirty-ish games, "SPK" is more of one than spin the bottle... ("Truth, percentage or consequence" if you translate the acronym.)
And seriously. All my classmates are such squares. They balk at the notion of playing strip-poker and spin the bottle. They don't even want to play truth or dare. They don't even want to do anything for dares! And don't get me started on how hard it is to get them engaged in drinking games. I don't even feel the pinch of giving up drinking because they're so unadventurous...I had to work so hard just to get them to play I've never...
I did say no jokes about the name, but three, no, four people so far haven't observed this T_T
No matter what its still child pornography. There's no provision in child pornography laws that says its okay to have it and make it if your underage or if your a willing participant. Child pornography is illegal because it causes harm to children when its made, sold and owned.
That's why the provision is deficient, as...thelistman (if I recall) pointed out. Look at the second and the third sentence. A bit of a disparity there, yes? I bet you couldn't even formulate a properly consistent definition of child pornography from the premises you've just outlined.
It probably shouldn't be considered child porn, but it should be sexual harassment.
If unsolicited, which points to another vulnerability (this time I'm not going to call it a deficiency, because it's more something that's exploited rather than something I consider to be fundamentally dumb) of the legal system: crying r***. Even if a party may apparently 'consent' at the time, crying r*** afterwards will most likely prejudice people against the defendant because it's simply such a touchy subject.
The same applies to 'sexting'. If you send photos of your junk to somebody because they asked and things go south, who knows what trouble will come knocking on your door!
While we're on the topic:
I'm trusting their word that they're my age but if they were actually a minor, I would be in posesssion of illegal material
There's some clause that states that the defendant must have taken sufficient action to ensure the age of the other party...as to what "reasonable measure" is, probably depends on the context. Online...would be difficult. I mean, like hell I'm telling you my age for a start >:3
as to what "reasonable measure" is, probably depends on the context. Online...would be difficult. I mean, like hell I'm telling you my age for a start >:3
Given courts & law on these issues, it's quite the witch-burning; so to speak. 'reasonable measure' to a court of law probably means getting them to send you a photocopy of their drivers license o.0
