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Jrmagic
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There is truth in the title.

I'm getting pretty fed up, personally, with the threads that are troll-bait. I don't know if the person who made the thread is intentionally posting something that is way too idiotic, or he just doesn't know.

For example:

http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3575165/what-are-posts
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3466570/what-are-cool-games-to-play
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3558972/post-for-points
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3563990/armatar
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3571339/how-can-you-tell-how-many-ap-points-you-have
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3573239/how-can-you-make-a-game
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3563188/a-chatting-bit

I hate to point fingers, but this is actually mandatory to acknowledge. I also think that the frank discussions in World Events needs a little more intelligence...

http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3572854/president-obama-of-the-united-states
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3547134/new-super-power
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3573219/must-you-be-aethiest-to-enjoy-debate-on-armorgames
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3550985/school-6-days-a-week
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3543896/did-aliens-create-and-or-help-ancient-civilization

Threads discussing extra-terrestrials, communism, homosexuality, and a lot of other generic topics isn't needed and could be rid of.

Once again, I respect almost everyone on this forum and I'm sorry if I linked to your thread, but honestly, we need more common sense.

J

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Cenere
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Favorite Pet
Possibly the best topic title there have been in a good time.
Why? Because the topic is nothing about pets or favorites of anything, but about people who does not read the OP or the discussion (There have been a couple who just read the title of the thread, and posted), as well as the people who spam about spamming, think they are doing the right thing when they are not, and links to long dead threads about nothing, because someone made a new one.

As for the titles, well, it is often newbs who make a question in the title, because it makes sense. It is the best anyone can do when it comes to titles about very small things. That they put them the wrong place is another problem for another time.

And the mods do what they can, but sometimes there is a good amount of thread that look like each other, but are not.
Like homophobia thread vs homosexuality thread vs prob something thread. There is different things discussed, though some revolt back to talking about homosexuality instead of the actual topic, which is rather annoying, especially as they do not care.

Strop
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I think there's something possibly important being pointed out here. For future direction of this thread, I would recommend discussing ways of instilling a culture of intelligent, discretionary posting would be acheived.

We did pretty good with a culture of anti-spam, so it might work!

ulimitedpower
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Favorite Pet


I think my common sense is telling me that the thread was a trick for anyone who clicked on it, right?

Threads discussing extra-terrestrials, communism, homosexuality, and a lot of other generic topics isn't needed and could be rid of.


Actually, I think Asherlee(Did I spell it right) made a pretty long, interesting topic on one of those topis. As long as it isn't 'should we ban it from the U.S' or 'what do you do when ****' topics, it should be fine!

And the mods do what they can, but sometimes there is a good amount of thread that look like each other, but are not.


There are also lots of threads that look different but are exactly the same feature, just with a different purpose. Global Save Mechanism and Game saving? They were exactly the same.

http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3575165/what-are-posts
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3466570/what-are-cool-games-to-play
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3558972/post-for-points
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3563990/armatar
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3571339/how-can-you-tell-how-many-ap-points-you-have
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3573239/how-can-you-make-a-game
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3563188/a-chatting-bit


Yeah, how to make a game and what software is getting a bit out of control. Then 'spam for points here!!!!' threads are exceedingly rare(Most people know that it stupid to think you can get away with it) because they are tracked down in minutes or they don't turn up at all
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Nich's Guide to Good Posting

Many complaints have been issued. The intolerable level of 'bad posts' must stop. Apart from mindless spamming, nothing is as atrocious as bad posting on the thread.

Problems/Causes + Solutions

1)One of the more basic problems of cases of poor posts is because the person in question is a newcomer, and is either lost in the many labyrinths of the Forums, or because they genuinely require help, and make multiple short posts/threads.

Solution: In both cases, just guide the newcomer along and he will eventually get used to our ways of Life in AG. Also, take pains to answer any of his/her questions adequately, so as to avoid further bafflement and pestering. Never bite the newcomers! They just need a little time to settle down and adjust. After all, you always need a strong foundation to build constructive and responsible users who will post excellent stuff.


2)The second problem that leads to unsatisfactory posts is often because the users never bother to look around for any possible previous topics. Often, they jump straight in and post what is on their minds before checking every place in an attempt to find solutions. Duplicate posts will appear.

Solution: Never ever holler and keep up a big fuss on the thread. Posting things such as 'Noob, there's a thread!' or 'Stupid spammer!' could possibly lead to a large scale flame war, and the loss of a potential good Forum Poster. If you think that it makes you look great and mature, then perhaps you should rethink the action. Has it done any good? Has it actually helped the person? Or has it aggravated a situation?

The best mode of operation, would be to link the thread to a suitable thread that has been made before, and then inform a moderator to help lock down a thread. Fastest, most efficient, and the least confrontational. The person will also be grateful that you bothered to help.

Also, DD's Forum Search will come in useful, so repeat threads will not be made.


3)A third common problem would be lack of reading the all important title and OP carefully. The best example would be the one mentioned by Cen before. The 'Favourite Pet' Thread. In reality, it was a trick thread, to get users to discuss good posting. But no. Some people actually assumed, and immediately plunged in, posting about their favourite animals.

Solution: Before embarking on any ambitious rebuttal or a personal statement, first read the title and OP. If there is time, also read other people's post, so that it might not lead to a repeat of other's words, and so that it gives you things to ponder over. Pay careful attention to where the thread goes, if the discussion has moved to another stage; be sure never to post about out-dated stuff. Stick to the current discussion.


4)One of the major problems of AG are posts that merely 'agree' with the OP or previous comments. Lately, there has been a surge in this, whereby users merely quote another answer, and post 'Yes', 'Agreed', 'FTW!!!!'. Certainly, it does not follow the OP. At least put some sign of effort in stating a reason of your opinion. It increases the word length, to prevent the usual finger-pointing of spam.

Solution: Every time you post or respond, consider any thoughts that let to your opinion or post. Post that too, with additional details regarding your statement. For example, if the OP is about a favourite sport, not only mention your choice, but also give a reason or two. With long practice and consistency, ten word answers would become the norm for you.


5)The fifth problem is the problem of grammar, spelling and punctuation. Certainly, statements without Caps, commas, full stops, hyphens would make reading a little tricky. Ambiguous statements, spelling errors that alter words meanings, will all crop up. Consider typing the word 'duck' wrongly by typing an 'f'. Disastrous eh? Especially since both the 'd' and 'f' keys are side by side?

Solution: Make it a point to proof-read your statements first, to ensure that your sentences typed out are what you intended them to be, in case it leads to an embarrassing social incident, apologies and in the worse cases, a flame war.


6)The sixth major problem is the question of correcting users. Most people would probably name call and leave the place. This generally opens up possibilities that more users will appear, say the same thing and disappear. In the past few weeks, more such cases have appeared. Simply put, it never helps, and it does not show responsibility and maturity.

Solution: Alert any moderator. As said before, it's the only solution that will lead to a definitive end. Case closed, damage control enacted.


~Thanks

Note: There are most definitely even more problems. These were the ones that I could think about on the spot.

Jrmagic
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Ya see Nich, if any newcomer signed up to post, I'm almost certain he/she wouldn't read something along the lines of what you just posted.

I think there's something possibly important being pointed out here. For future direction of this thread, I would recommend discussing ways of instilling a culture of intelligent, discretionary posting would be acheived.

We can't instill intelligence into people who just joined. Although I wish they would learn what spam is right off the bat, they have to create a useless thread, have it locked, and then they realize their mistake. This process is very ordinary, but it doesn't solve the spam issue.

This situation is very unfair. We can't ban new members who spam the place unintentionally because that would be very harsh, and even if we do, the next newcomer would repeat the same thing the banned member did.

I'm lost.
Cenere
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@Number 4: A good reason why I refrain from posting in some threads. Simply saying that people should make more effort in their posts and all that has gotten tiresome to me. I simply ignore them and move on.
If I have nothing to say but a correction, I see no reason to post. The thread should instead die (if it was not for the amount of other users that posted and tried to correct)

Which leads me to number 6:
Correcting should be done out of concern and feeling the situation. If it is a newb, just try to explain. If it is the same newb who has been posting a lot of ... that you have talked with them about, correcting is the next thing.
I generally get an annoyed feeling when more regular users post something they should not, simply because they are too lazy to read the stickies...

And "Favorite pet" was an awesome thread, sadly most people cannot see it. Quantity over quality...

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Solution: In both cases, just guide the newcomer along and he will eventually get used to our ways of Life in AG. Also, take pains to answer any of his/her questions adequately, so as to avoid further bafflement and pestering. Never bite the newcomers! They just need a little time to settle down and adjust. After all, you always need a strong foundation to build constructive and responsible users who will post excellent stuff.


I don't bite, I fire the lazor.

I think I'll start giving the welcoming reception at newcomers profiles.
To answer their questions etc... I really hate when newcomers become spammers.



5)The fifth problem is the problem of grammar, spelling and punctuation. Certainly, statements without Caps, commas, full stops, hyphens would make reading a little tricky. Ambiguous statements, spelling errors that alter words meanings, will all crop up. Consider typing the word 'duck' wrongly by typing an 'f'. Disastrous eh? Especially since both the 'd' and 'f' keys are side by side?


That rules will haunt me for the rest of my life in AG.
As most of you know I'm Portuguese (TUGA POWA!!!!). Although I know a bit of english and my posts are a little understandable, I tend to commit errors. Which sometimes leaves me embarrassed. And sometimes I can't avoid it.


Why do you think I post few threads? Because of my grammar skills. <.<
Cenere
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Why do you think I post few threads? Because of my grammar skills. <.<

Actually more understandable than some people I have seen. Even Americans can have real problems with that, and [whisper]being from a nonEnglish country gives us an excuse when it comes to grammar[/whisper]

I think I'll start giving the welcoming reception at newcomers profiles.

Please no...
random_player_of_ag
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Actually more understandable than some people I have seen. Even Americans can have real problems with that, and [whisper]being from a nonEnglish country gives us an excuse when it comes to grammar[/whisper]


Thanks, that's the nicest thing I've heard in a long time.
Please no...


I was joking.
I only gave a welcoming reception to a newcomer once.
Cenere
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Thanks, that's the nicest thing I've heard in a long time.

*patpat* I make mistakes pretty much all the time (mainly is instead of are and are instead of is > &gt, but since I usually do not speak English, it is okay to make mistakes.
Especially when some of the newbs are writing a lot worse than... other people that write really bad...
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Especially when some of the newbs are writing a lot worse than... other people that write really bad...

speaking of bad writing skills....

http://armorgames.com/community/thread/3577202/awerd

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They either have a hard time typing on the keybaord, or they are very young in age.

Back to the OP..... People here...they have a hard time using their eyes.... And when they
have problems, big or small (like it matters), they type it out without any care in the world.
We should just raise awareness for this, because it's not like THEY are the ONLY newbs in the
whole site, you know.... We raised awareness for spam, and except for the game comments, not
very much has been going on in the forums as far as spam goes *cough* Dudeguy *sneeze* .

What else.... oh yes, how about helping all the guys adhere to the rules by raising awareness
of HELP SOMEBODY ONLY IF THEY DIDN'T GET HELP YET! That or, if the thread's question has been
solved already, don't post further, because it is not needed! You can handle at least that,
can't you? Pwease?

new guy -- " how do you get more aps?"

helper -- "commenting, rating games, posting, or getting a merit"

'helper'2 -- "what he said"

'helper'3 -- "yeh, helper has it correct"

'helper'4 -- "how do you make games?"

mod -- LOCK

Big example here. Helper1, you did a nice job, here's a cookie. helpers 2, 3, and 4, BAD,
that was wrong, you shouldn't even have posted there. You should have at least added something
to the post, saying how you should be able to get a merit, or where to locate the rating button.
All three of those posts were spam. Good thing a random mod came before people started spamming
it was spam, spamming spam.

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[/quote]For future direction of this thread, I would recommend discussing ways of instilling a culture of intelligent, discretionary posting would be acheived.[quote]

I just wanted to maybe point out something. It seems as if ArmorGames is trying to drive people to have intelligent type posting habits. But could we also keep in mind that not all people who come here are going to be as smart as others?

There are going to be people who post things that make complete sense to them personally, but to others, it makes the poster look like an idiot.

I just want people to keep in mind that because this website is open to anyone, we have varying levels of intelligence and we should be open to all people who post, no matter how stupid their posts sound. It's not like we can't coax people towards the right direction. For example, If you see a very under developed post, it would be very helpful to show the poster how to expand their post.

Also, keep in mind that we have varying levels of typing skills on the website. You should always be patient with people who obviously have bad grammar or a person who's post has many typing errors.

dudeguy45
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Oh really, Shintetsu.... I admit to some but i have gotten better. Just cause paragraph writing is in your blood doesn't mean you have to downsize people who write SIX...SIX words.

steevo15
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meh fail. ^^^^^

I meant for the top sentence to be quoted and that is all... the bottom paragraphs are my words.

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