Fifty million Americans are either without health care coverage or have sub-standard insurance! As all our Canadian friends know, nationalized health care and recognizing health care as a basic human right has been very successful. Cuba, which is basically a third world country thanks to trade embargoes, has a life expectancy as great as the United States'. We have tried putting health insurance in the hands of the private sector, and it just doesn't work as well as it should! I vote that we should make health care a human right and get rid of private health insurance companies for the good of the American people! All these companies ever do while privatized is rip people off and not help most under-ensured folks anyway!
if you are old or do not have a good chance of survival they will put you later on the list and let the healthier person go first for surgery. That doesn't sound too good to me. But that's just me folks.
That's what they do in emergency rooms anyway. Ever heard of the word 'triage'?
Actually they take the person who is in the most critical condition and operate on them first because the other people have a greater chance of survival.
The same goes for transplant lists. If you are going to die very soon without a transplant then they move you to the top of the list vs. someone who can wait a while for it.
Actually they take the person who is in the most critical condition and operate on them first because the other people have a greater chance of survival.
... *hits self in head*
Sorry, I was thinking of the original meaning of the word triage - they would operate on those most likely to survive first, then those that were more likely to die later...
I'd like to see the part of the bill that says that though, because it doesn't sound like something that would be legislated.
I would get you some parts of the bill quoted, but the government doesn't put that kind of stuff on the internet even though they promised to. They just lied again.
I'd like to see the part of the bill that says that though, because it doesn't sound like something that would be legislated.
it is already happening everywhere. thats how transplant lists work. you have several criteria, and the person with the biggest asumed need of the organ gets it. so its mostly younger people who get operated first, and the people who are supposed to have lesser chances of rejecting the organ
it is already happening everywhere. thats how transplant lists work. you have several criteria, and the person with the biggest asumed need of the organ gets it. so its mostly younger people who get operated first, and the people who are supposed to have lesser chances of rejecting the organ
So then how is this an argument against passing the bill if it's already a part of the U.S.A. healthcare?
So then how is this an argument against passing the bill if it's already a part of the U.S.A. healthcare?
i never said it is. and maybe know is the first time people are realizing it, because healthcare is going a lot through the media. there is a lot of stuff about which people do not know or are not interested in.
here's another thought, it will be terrible for everyone. they'll try to make the money paid for it cheap and the actual care will be set way lower than it already is.
triage - they would operate on those most likely to survive first, then those that were more likely to die later...
that is used in an uncontrolled situation with limited medical supplys, ie not hospitals
I.e. the 250,000,000 who like their insurance as it is.
Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you like it, or that it covers all your needs.
I know that the health insurance we have now is a bitch to deal with, and essentially covers no costs of any medications that my family uses.
In addition to this, most health care policies that you can get from a private company don't cover preventative treatments; in short term, we have sick care, not health care. If anyone's every been to the emergency room here, it's about $500 just to walk in and fill out the papers.
A huge problem among lower-income families is that the main provider of income for the family will be hurt on the job somehow, and they will either have to walk into the emergency room and end up paying half a month's paycheck just to fill out the papers to register, or they will have to miss out on a day of work entirely just to stand in line or the free care clinic, where it's not always guaranteed you'll be treated.
Support the lower and working class citizens: bring universal health care to America.
Also, I just thought about it, but I just remembered watching an episode of 30 Days where the guy and his fiancee decided to live on minimum wage for a month. They ended up going to the hospital because he hurt his wrist doing his job through a temp agency, and they got put way into the hole over an emergency room visit that ended with some Ace bandaging around his arm.
that is used in an uncontrolled situation with limited medical supplys, ie not hospitals
it depends on the kind of surgery and the number of surgeries you need to do. so yes it happens in hospitals also. some people have to wait longer whereas some are treated very fast.
First of all that is an extreme situation, it would be common sense to save who ever is most likely to survive if they had surgery first. Or, like you said, they'd fix up the person in worse condition because the others are in better shape and therefore can hold on. They would do that anyway in our system, nationalized health care wouldn't change that sort of thing.
Also, a I would rather not choose a doctor who looks at a patient's sore throat and says "Hey,if we remove this guy/girl's tonsils out I will make more money." Well, does the patient really need to pay to get his/her tonsils taken out? I would rather get a doctor who is sure to do what is right for the patient, rather than his wallet.
Actually they take the person who is in the most critical condition and operate on them first because the other people have a greater chance of survival. The same goes for transplant lists. If you are going to die very soon without a transplant then they move you to the top of the list vs. someone who can wait a while for it.
That is an extreme situation where we would have to have thousands of people at one place at one time who need medical attention. It would just be common sense to save who ever is most likely to survive if they had the surgery first! Or like you said, they would fix up the person who is in worse condition because the others are in better shape and therefore could hold on. They would do that anyway in our system, nationalized health care would not not change those sorts of things. Also, I would rather not choose a doctor who looks at a patient's sore throat and says "Hey,if we remove this guy/girl's tonsils out I will make more money!" Well, does the patient really need to pay to get his/her tonsils taken out? I would rather get a doctor who is sure to do what is right for the patient, rather than his wallet. *** Much more clear post! ****
