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nichodemus
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Well...I was scouring the internet for good reads on politics and I chanced upon this little article.

Pirate Party

What do you think?

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VoteSocialist
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I think they stand for a noble cause, I have heard about them before. They are communists when it comes to copy right laws.

nichodemus
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I like it how they defer from the traditional left-right thing and just go straight into their stand, and that's what's appealing. Sure, they might not make a good government, but I would like to see them as part of a coalition with a more experienced party.

Krizaz
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I've heard about this party before, sounds a bit strange and I don't agree with some of their policies, I much prefer the (awesome) pirates that sink Japanese Whaling Ships.

TSL3_needed
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I much prefer the (awesome) pirates that sink Japanese Whaling Ships.


Oh, they better avoid me if I ever go out there. Noose time for them.

I don't agree with them at all. Copyrights are so people can't steal it at all, not just so we can't download them. What would happen if you heard 10 different versions of Master of Puppets? Chaos.
SportsChamp
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It's weird. They are the 3rd highest political party in Sweden and I have never heard of them. I don't agree with them at all either. That is probably why I have never heard of them.

FireflyIV
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I think this is a classic example of a pressure group turned political party. Whilst I do share some of their views regarding internet piracy, I would never vote for them simply because they have such a narrow goal and as such would only have members with a narrow expertise.

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It's an interesting subject; but I don't support their political views for copyright reform.

There was a book written a few years ago - The Pirate's Dilemma - which made some interesting points; my personal favorite tidbit from the book is the hypocrisy in which the MPAA prosecutes for piracy, when 20th Century Fox's beginning in Hollywood was stealing the intellectual property of Edison's camera and making for the west coast with it, but then Edison wasn't exactly on the 'up and up' himself & I don't have a lot of respect for the man.

I think it's fair that people want recompense for their time and work, and if people continue to buy it at market value, then that's what it's worth. People complain about sports superstars making millions, but then continue to buy season tickets.

On the flip side, a lot of the people pirating intellectual property on the internet are unlikely to have bought the product in the first place, so the 'damage' done is likely to be minimal.

All in all, I wouldn't support the party, they sound like a bunch of tossers.

rafterman
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I would vote for them, just on the basis of decriminalizing file sharing, its not stealing if who you "stole" it from still has it.

HiddenDistance
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I would vote for them, just on the basis of decriminalizing file sharing, its not stealing if who you "stole" it from still has it.


This is one part of the propaganda advertising the RIAA & MPAA screwed up on. It's not about stealing. It's about having a 'license' to use the intellectual property - that's what you get when you buy a CD or DVD of a movie. You don't 'own' the movie & can do whatever you want with it, especially not distribution rights. The license is to watch and view the movie in the privacy of your own home; not to charge other people to see it, not to broadcast it on TV, and not to distribute it across the internet.

So, the people distributing it are guilty because they're doing something with the material that they're not allowed to, and the people downloading it are guilty because they are using someone else's intellectual property without a license to use it.
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Their copy right ideas, if I understand them correctly, seem a bit ridiculous. If file sharing was legal no one would actually pay for the music, movies, etc that they download. Then the people who produce those would quit, obviously, since they're losing money. There goes entertainment.

Kyouzou
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the only thing I actually agree with them about is the block independent status they have...if the artists don't get paid for their work there won't be an work.

FireflyIV
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Their copy right ideas, if I understand them correctly, seem a bit ridiculous. If file sharing was legal no one would actually pay for the music, movies, etc that they download. Then the people who produce those would quit, obviously, since they're losing money. There goes entertainment.


Currently in the UK, approximately 10 million people use file sharing sites like Limewire, Pirate Bay, uTorrent etc. Now either this means that there are 10 million criminals residing in the UK that should be locked up, or that the current legislation regarding domain names needs to be re-addressed. I'm not saying I agree with their founding principles, but that reform is necessary. These political parties are nothing if not useful by raising awareness on the issue, without necessarily holding all of the right answers as to how we should progress.
nichodemus
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Well, they did win a seat in the European Union's Parliament. Or two if the Treaty of Lisbon is wait...ratified or not ratified? Cna't remember....

But well, good start to a relatively new party.

rafterman
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Legalizing file sharing would not come close to killing the entertainment industry. Lots of people choose not to download movies/music/games because they want something physical aside from a burned dvd, and just because someone downloads music doesn't mean they don't buy concerts tickets and swag.

Green12324
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and just because someone downloads music doesn't mean they don't buy concerts tickets and swag.


I don't know how much of their revunu comes from those, but I'm guessing it's not as much as the CDs and downloads they sell. There are a lot of people that download it illegally now, but I think more people buy music legally.
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