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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
1#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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Skyla
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False scientific facts and common sense are not synonomous with "science and logical thinking."

Here we go again.


I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God


Starting your thread with an insult is not a good sign.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang"


The big bang did not "come from nothing." Sorry for my bluntness, but maybe if you researched a little more you would come up with a better opening. I'm not going to get into the many theories that explain how the big bang came forth, but the most widely accepted is the M-Theory, or "Strings," which you can read about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

"Something always existed and made everything" like God.
God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter,


God cannot be comprehended by common sense, so using common sense to explain him is not logical. What you are saying is that God lived before time, space, or matter existed, which would make him, as you would call it "nothing."

so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.


Indeed, he is eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscience, and so on, but only outside of our universe, which is everything, therefore, He cannot affect us in any way and He is again proven (in your theory) to be nothing.

This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.


Incorrect, if He didn't have a beginning, He is nothing.

If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.


Yes, the Observable Universe (OU) had a beginning, but the universe as a whole was and is everlasting. picture this:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^ooooooo^^^
^^^ooooooo^^^
^^^ooooooo^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The universe as a whole is represented by the "^" and goes infinitely in all directions, the Observable Universe is represented by "o" and was started by the big bang, is not infinite, but is expanding. This goes back to the argument of whether the universe is expanding or infinite.

With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.
If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.
Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!


This is all irrelevant.


What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.


Ooh, into evolution? It was ape like creatures, by the way, not monkeys.


What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy


LOL.

Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead,


Because when he or she is dead, they are nothing and will always be nothing.
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At least Zep is nowhere to be found. Phew.

Jacques
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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible .

thisisnotanalt
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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible .


Just. . .just. . .just. . .AARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH

I'm not even going to bother smooshing you in a debate right now. Do days worth of research and I *might.*

I mean. . .that was just two sentences of pure ethos when we don't even know who you are! Plus, you cited the Bible.***

***One of the biggest religious debate mistake possible
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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible


You really believe the bible was written by Jesus? I can believe Jesus is real, but God is not. Now if I really, really wanted to destroy you in a debate, I would. But since you are so uneducated about this topic, I won't, I will merely point out your flaws, and prove to you what is right and what is wrong.

First of all, if you want to make a point, spell the name of your own religion correctly, it makes you look even weaker by say that atheist are 'stupid people' when you can barely spell the simplest of words. Also, people tend not to care about your point if you put in it all caps. And try to get some facts in there, even other Christians know that the Bible does not prove that there is a God, it is actually the most illogical thing to say there is a God when you say he exist from information out of a bible, I'm not exactly sure who wrote the bible but I think it was the Romans. Now you can yell and scream at me as long as you want, but you can't make a point by doing so.
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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible


My troll sensor is off the charts!
I'm guessing after we blow you out of the water you want post anymore. =)
( Dude you can't even spell your own religion!)

K' look. A good portion of Christians I know accept the Big Bang theory. Isn't there some thing in Genesis that says "let there be light."? I personally Imagine the Big Bang to be bright cause of all the matter coming out of it.

Krizaz stole everything I was about to say. But He forgot about the Theory of Evolution though. Have you even heard of Evolution and the Big Bang? Just curious.
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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible

Ok. Your precious CHRISTIAN bible stems from the Hebrew Bible. That is why it is called the NEW testament. The Torah (First 5 books) is the Old Testament. Read your history before you start calling people stupid.

Secondly, if you are going to believe in something, learn how to spell it.

Thirdly, don't be blinded by your own beliefs. Learn about other beliefs and educate yourself instead of of just believing what other people have told you.

Lastly, there is no God. Only Bill Cosby.

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One thing that you have to think about, is the fact that people have their own gods.

Me, I don't really believe in a God, but I don't know why.

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THERE WAS NO BIG BANG stupid people . God made us all, If you dont bileve me look in the cristian Bible .


Okay dude, sadly you're the reason most Christians get a bad reputation. Not only have you used all caps, but you insulted people and butchered the english language.

Have you ever asked yourself the question "Could God have caused the Big Bang?"? That fits in with the theory that God created us all, and it fits in with the Big Bang Theory. What Christians need to try is to be open minded to both sides.

You really believe the bible was written by Jesus? I can believe Jesus is real, but God is not. Now if I really, really wanted to destroy you in a debate, I would. But since you are so uneducated about this topic, I won't, I will merely point out your flaws, and prove to you what is right and what is wrong.


And you. Jesus didn't write the Bible. He is just quoted in it frequently in the New Testament. You know how a lot of chapters are named after people, namely apostles? Those dudes wrote it. You should probably get some education on the Bible yourself before you try to argue about what is in it.

This is an occurrence I see frequently in religious debates. People on both sides have done no research whatsoever on the opposing sides stand on the topic. What they do get, comes from heresay and probably biased websites. People need to objectively look at both sides in depth and then formulate conclusions, and then call each other an idiot on Teh Internets.

Lastly, there is no God. Only Bill Cosby.


For some reason the term "Pudding Pops" in a Cosby voice keeps ringing in my head when I read this. Perhaps it's divine intervention?
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first of all i'd just like to say FAIL when refering to your cowboy picture.

first off, thats more bone than in your actual leg.
second, if that really is a fossilized cowboy leg/foot, then why does the boot remain? the boot is made of leather, which is skin.

you obviously didnt do your research, and posted this trying to sound smart with only faith as your protection. plus you really ticked me off with the paragraph after the boot. we have a right to believe in what we want, and if you see problems in someone elses beliefs (which i see tons in yours) that doesnt mean you tell them they are wrong and that they should convert.

but no go ahead go to the middle east and tell them their belief is wrong, i'll wait.

Skyla
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but no go ahead go to the middle east and tell them their belief is wrong, i'll wait.


Depends where in the Middle East he goes In Saudi Arabia, you'd watch the execution video on youtube In other countries, it's still pointless to wait.
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Why hope there is a heaven once you're gone when you can create a heaven on earth?

Caucheka
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lol you got what i meant Skyla XD...

im like... the only athiest in my family. my parents (somewhat) believe, but they didnt force it on me. my brothers and sister believe because they chose to. my uncle is a preacher for a small church in arkansas, which probably wont be around in 20 years or so, since most of the people that go are like in their 80s.

lol lets all go to norway! country with the largest percentage of atheists.
like christianity came in and was like "norse mythology is just that, mythology, its not right." and they were like "k, so we atheists then."

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Why hope there is a heaven once you're gone when you can create a heaven on earth?

Well, heaven is supposed to be forever, and we can't do that to earth. I can kind of get your point, but I would think of it in terms like, "Why hope there is an afterlife once you're gone when there is a life on earth?"
I think the trick is to be able to not regret it if you found out you were wrong the day before you die. AKA, don't waste your entire life over religion, but simply enact the morals into your life. But as long as your life on earth is worth living, I don't think religion is a personal problem.
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Nice tread , I absolutely agree with you

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