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Show me some scientific evidence for evolution.

I'm not arguing for evolution. you need to back up your argument instead of trying to push the burden of proof on me.

Honestly I think it takes more faith to believe that the universe just coincidentally happened than it takes to believe an intelligent designer crafted it.

You think incorrectly in this case.

Science requires no faith outside of supporting ideas and hypotheses - theories have evidence behind them, so believing them is a logic-based choice, not a faith-based one. The other theories of how the Universe began have scientific evidence behind them, whereas the platform for an intelligent designer is ENTIRELY faith-based.

Like I said, where did the matter come from? And when in known history has chemicals simply being together been able to make something as complex and advanced as life?

Amino acids, not directly life.

Also, sorry I responded to the same point twice. I'm still slightly drugged from getting braces earlier today >.<

Sorry, my mistake. So how did the inanimate matter get there?

This is a bit confusing, so bear with me. And I apologize in advance if I confuse you or anyone else D:

Because time and space are linked, and all space was compressed into a singularity, time was compressed into the singularity too. So, there was no time then. Therefore, origin and end wouldn't exist, so the object could've always been there. And then it reached critical mass and decompressed into our Universe.

Show me some scientific evidence for evolution.

Well, for most people, we as humans are like paintings, where they are created by a painter, a designer. The only difference is that the painting has chemicals which can't replicate themselves. However, the human body does, AKA DNA. Even if God DID create DNA, he doesn't need to intervene every time an animal mates with another, the DNA does the job of creating the offspring on its own. So what's the question of the...er, night? How did DNA appear is the correct choice. How did living matter get created from non-living matter?

Here, Creationists need to drop the common argument that many seem to use all the time in order to bash the opposite side of the table with the statement which was based totally off ignorance of other Creationists, which was this:

All you monkey believers think that life popped out of nowhere and out of nothingness!

Of course, that's NOT the correct way in which we think. Life popping out of nowhere is no better than popping out of the hand of a deity. So what DO top Evolutionists believe? Why don't I take this step by step for you:

1. Best way to start is looking at ancient earth 4.7 billion years ago. Many different compounds were around back then, such as hydrogen cyanide and methane gas. DNA is made from only 4 different types of Nucleotides, so where did that come from? How in the world did they come to be in this universe?

Here's this: In 1964 a brilliant researcher called Wan Oro put methane and the cyanide to boil in a solution under the perfect conditions that were in ancient earth back then. Afterwards, the solution produced adenine, one of the four types of nucleotide bases. To make a full nucleotide, it needs to gain a sugar called Ribose and a group of phosphates. How in the world did the ribose and phosphate group get formed and get attached to that nucleotide?

2. From the nucleotide to the polynucleotide

Well, once the nucleotide was formed, they needed to form together in chains called polynucleotides. In the 1980s, researchers found that a clay, called "montmorillonite", a very abundant resource in ancient earth, was a perfect catalyst for this process of "chaining".

3. Now we are going to make RNA!

Some of these copies of the polynucleotides with ribose inside, or RNA (ribonucleic acid) are able to make copies of themselves...huh. Of course the copies aren't as perfect, but again, some copies are more adapted than the other copies to survive in the hot, dense planet earth used to be. So these molecules that did survive would replicate and pass on their traits, while those that aren't so great at surviving would just break apart into regular compounds of methane and cyanide.

4. Making protocells! WHOO!

As RNA replicated, they shared their surroundings with other chemicals around them. Some chemicals, called "lipids" like to clump together to form circular bodies called micelles. RNA molecules that attracted the micelles found themselves protected inside them. Because they were protected, they better survived than those that weren't. From there, they replicated successfully, but with the entire protocell with them. There, you have the first primitive cellular structure.

5. Then from the span of hundreds of millions of years later, RNA grew more complex from replicating and passing on better traits. The single strand formed to create a double-strand molecule, and the more successful DNA molecule evolved. One thing however: DNA needs proteins to replicate. Proteins are made from amino acids or the building blocks of life, so how/where in the world did the amino acids get into the picture?

GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD

No...there was no need for God....

6. formation of amino acids

a number of experiments with the montmorillonite not only produced amino acids, but long chains of them that are called &quotolypeptides". It turns out that this long-difficult name clay stuff is a natural breeding ground for all these complex chemicals. So there you have it. RNA, DNA, what made it, and what made amino acids, non-living chemicals that in turn made living organisms and the process in which these chemicals came to be.

So as I build this up, I ask you this: if God did create life, when did he come in, using the same kinds of steps that I have provided for you? And if the chemical process needed to create life can happen on its own, why does he need to come in?

Before I end class tonight, I want you guys to look at some old arguments that end nowhere and show complete ignorance of people's views:

"It can't be done! simple chemicals can't form into complex chemicals without intervention!"

Are you sure? Just because a lot of people pass around this argument doesn't mean it's true. It's not true. Given time and left alone, smaller, simpler chemicals can and will polymerize into complex chemicals.

"2nd law of thermodynamics, genius. FAIL"

This sad argument? Simple chemicals polymerizing into complex chemicals conflicts with NO laws of thermodynamics. I suggest if you use this argument to freely read up on this law, because I believe you haven't and are just ignorantly repeating a myth that's already been shot down many times.

[learning time finally over]

Even though that all this can happen, there are still going to be Creationists that say "you still can't prove that this actually happened". We probably can't, but at least we don't need to use gods goddesses and realms of alternate dimensions to do so, because we already have a ton of evidence showing that it COULD'VE happened. And we don't need a book to show you.

1st, why can't atheists just keep to themselves?
2nd, I guess we'll find out when we die, so why waste time arguing about it now?

Fuck off. Seriously.
Stop coming to this forum if you're gonna complain about people debating.

**** off
Lol

You could just be Jewish, and not believe in hell.
Totally