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66bob
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should we stay in iraq if so why all we do is die and kill please reply

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dieath
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id like to make 1 thing clear tho, the sunken ship went into german waters, dosent matter if its neutral or not, the german ambasador put a message in the new york times telling that if anyone went in german waters theyed be destroyed.

pearl harbor was deliberatly delayed, they wanted too join world war 2 they just had no reason too

also the warzone thing, when i heard that i was thinking an area where 2 armys collide for a batlle, i guess u meant an ocupied town.
theres another video about that same town where the soldiers tease kids by showing them a water bottle and not letting them have it(the starved ones)

as for an insurgent, i dint know what it meant.

btw an educated troop would have know that the civilians driving by in a car where no threat, and wouldnt have shot, killed and laughed at them. even world war 2 dint have as many civilian casualtys on all fronts of the war(around 40%)

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they where doing that for fun, and theres no combat zones in iraq, that town was being ocupied it wasnt a warzone, towns in the warzones are blown appart regardless of civilian activity.


I may have to quote rules of engagement shortly if you don't post some actual information. We don't blow up towns and cities if tehy are warzones. If we did, Baghdad would have ceased to exist quite a while ago.

Also, besides YouTube, where might you be getting your information?

what is your defenition of an insurgent anyway?


A civilian with a gun


that's shooting at US troops.
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id like to make 1 thing clear tho, the sunken ship went into german waters, dosent matter if its neutral or not, the german ambasador put a message in the new york times telling that if anyone went in german waters theyed be destroyed.


I fail to see your point now one owns the oceans, threats don't mean anything again it was civilian.

pearl harbor was deliberatly delayed, they wanted too join world war 2 they just had no reason too


Why would we WANT to join WW2? Also i'd like some evidence.

theres another video about that same town where the soldiers tease kids by showing them a water bottle and not letting them have it(the starved ones)


Maybe they're just playing with them, that or it's fake not that hard to get uniforms and a skinny kid.

btw an educated troop would have know that the civilians driving by in a car where no threat


How would they know the cars were civilian? Maybe intel showed they were terrorists.
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mainly i get my information from videos(where they are posted varies)

lately i got most of this from the new american century, google it if u want or click here New american century

as for rules of engagement i dont know, all i remember is seing bahgdad bombed then other towned bombed demolished and so on.

as for oceans, it was an ocean it was german water near britain, the us was sending weapons there and the germans told them not too because thats directly getting involved with a war, they did it anyway and went too war.

Why a war? i really would rather not explain this less another debate unfolds, but its called a war for profit and its just like that, a war too make money,(search up the federal reserve, america dosent make its own money it borrows it from the fed, witch unlike the name suggest is not a government corporation)

How would they know the cars were civilian? Maybe intel showed they were terrorists.


well withought adding a what if i cant argue with this
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as for oceans, it was an ocean it was german water near britain, the us was sending weapons there and the germans told them not too because thats directly getting involved with a war, they did it anyway and went too war.


It was a bloody civilian ship!!!

Why a war? i really would rather not explain this less another debate unfolds, but its called a war for profit and its just like that, a war too make money,(search up the federal reserve, america dosent make its own money it borrows it from the fed, witch unlike the name suggest is not a government corporation)


I think you should explain conspiracy theories always need backup..

well withought adding a what if i cant argue with this


Exactly there's no proof either way.
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Why am I always ninja'd? >>.<<

theres another video about that same town where the soldiers tease kids by showing them a water bottle and not letting them have it(the starved ones)


I would love to see the entire incident. If it ends 30-45 seconds after the incident I wouldn't believe it. If it ends several minutes then those soldiers were probably punished at some point.

btw an educated troop would have know that the civilians driving by in a car where no threat, and wouldnt have shot, killed and laughed at them. even world war 2 dint have as many civilian casualtys on all fronts of the war(around 40%)


Not necessarily true. Anyone can be a threat in a warzone. Anyone. Including people who don't stop when you tell them too.

As for the WW2, that's what's called a force on force conflict. Basically meaning the majority of people getting shot at are being shot at by professional armies. Iraq is a guerrilla conflict, where anyone can be a threat and the majority of enemy combatants are technically classified as armed civilians, or unlawful combatants.
dieath
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honestly youd need too search up federal reserve,national bank,war for profit,large bankers and stuff like that cuz i cant give proof, i can just say what i know about them and if someone dosent beleave me can just say i made it up.

as for civilian ship, i dont recal wether it wass civilian or navi but it violated what the germans told them not too do otherwise theyed destroy it, so they destoyed it.

thats like saying dont go in my house or ill shoot you, then he goes in the house is suprised he got shot(stupid situation,good analagy)

and the thing about iraq is it may be the first justified genecide ever, they invade iraq and since everyone could be against them they kill everyone, remember terorism is a tactic, anyone can be a terorist.

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as for civilian ship, i dont recal wether it wass civilian or navi but it violated what the germans told them not too do otherwise theyed destroy it, so they destoyed it.


IT WAS CIVILIAN!!!!

thats like saying dont go in my house or ill shoot you, then he goes in the house is suprised he got shot(stupid situation,good analagy)


It wasn't even in German water it was off the coast of Ireland.

and the thing about iraq is it may be the first justified genecide ever, they invade iraq and since everyone could be against them they kill everyone, remember terorism is a tactic, anyone can be a terorist.


Were not there to cull off these people were there to provide them with democracy done, check for WMD's done, and create a situation where they can take care of them selfs not done.
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and the thing about iraq is it may be the first justified genecide ever, they invade iraq and since everyone could be against them they kill everyone, remember terorism is a tactic, anyone can be a terorist.


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I could swear I already explained this. Oh wait, I did.

We were commissioned by the UN to invade Iraq so that they could attempt to identify and seize WMDs which resided within Iraqs' borders. Of course, if it went through congress, Iraq would get wind of the impending invasion from coalition forces and we wouldn't be able to find the WMDs. Well, they got wind of it anyway and now they are somewhere in Iraq 12 feet under the ground. Even to this day we still find the occasional barrel of chemical agent.
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lol u gave me the proof i needed.

this is a picture of the german notice too NOT go in theyre waters during war

Picture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Lusitania_warning.jpg

i hope the image works

also i think it is absolutly weird that america is saying they are in iraq too give them a democracy, when america isnt even a democracy, they should be there too give them a republic

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im not saying they should have sunk it, but it was a war zone and the germans acted, they may have been agitated or beleaved it was a war ship

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also i think it is absolutly weird that america is saying they are in iraq too give them a democracy, when america isnt even a democracy, they should be there too give them a republic


Say what? Yes, we are a democracy. Definition:

government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.


Quoted from dictionary.com.
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actually is not a democracy, the word democracy is not once mentioned on the constitution

''A democracy is nothing but mob rule, where 51% can take away the rights of the other 49%''
-Benn Franklin.

''A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on whats for dinner.A republic is two wolves and a sheep deciding on whats for dinner but the sheep has a gun''

too be more exact america is a constitutional republic

also in a republic the federal government is not suppose too have alot of power over the states, its suppose too control the army and regulate the currency.

''what have you given us sir?''
-lady on the streets
''A republic ma'am, if you can keep it''
-Ben Franklin

dieath
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the word democracy is not once mentioned on the constitution


the word democracy is not once mentioned on the declaration of independance, is what i meant too say
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Do I have to say pay attention to the bolded part? -.-

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