ForumsWEPRShould we be more stricter on people who murder people on purpose?

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xplayfang4
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ok this is a big thing hears the deal whut do you want to hapin to a person that kills one of your family member would you want them to stay in prison for life like what it is now where prisons is overflowing becase of this or would you like to have them exicutid becase they took a life so should theres be taken too???

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Strop
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In this exchange, donpiet > graham.

Might want to think about your reactions the next time somebody hits you back, Graham!

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Anyway, thank heavens for my ability to change titles. Try not to misspell titles on perpous to get attention, rawr9000lazorz. It's pretty obvious.

BaronScot
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more stricter? shouldnt the word 'stricter' be sufficient?

Moabarmorgamer
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Jeez man, if you want a serious response, learn how to spell.
I think we should be stricter. I'm not saying prison is comfy or anything, but if someone plotted to kill someone, and killed them on purpose(1st degree murder), they should die. Not only that, but it's more frugal. Let's face it, paying for all those prisoners to stay in jail for their whole life costs an awful lot of tax money, but electric chairs, or lethal injection hardly costs anything.

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We should be stricter, there are murderers who walk out of jail after only some year, but everything depends from the circumstances and the case, every crime is caused by a person and any person is different.
Absolute laws are many times unjust.

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since 1976. do you realise how small a % that would be?! granted no system is perfect it's still pretty good. do you want civilian casualties in a war? no, but they happen anyway


Even if it's 1/100 % it's unethical. Killing one person who is innocent is the same as someone coming up to me and killing me ... and the cycle continues. Your analogy between civilian casualties of war and innocent capital punishment victims is off the mark, to say the least. Innocent capital punishment victims are put to death deliberately, after a supposed fair and ethical trial, one by one, by the government (our justice system), outside of a war zone. I am not talking about accidental casualties of war, genocide (which is the result of unethical psychotic leaders), nor prisoners of war; all of these, by the way, are a completely different topic.
War is barbaric, our justice system (in the U.S.) is suppose to be fair and ethical. Like I said before, until the processing and recording system within our judicial system is 100% accurate, capital punishment should be banned. Obviously you didn't read the article I posted a link to. If you had, I don't believe you would have thought putting that innocent man to death was a necessary means to the end.

In addition, states and countries that have abolished capital punishment have decreased their murder rates on the average of 39% since the year 2000.


or you slap him back again to hurt him more. than he kicks you, you punch him, he stabs you, you shoot him.

escalation of violence is a very common phenomenom


Exactly. The reason being is that if you don't respect life, don't expect others too.
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I think it's not fair for people to be killed, even if they are murderers. I mean, doesn't that mean we're sinking to their level? So it's like saying that punching is bad, and so as a punishment you're getting punched. How is that fair?
Not to mention that it's a real possibility that people put on the death penalty are innocent. Better a hundred guilty men walk free than one innocent man be punished.
And Jonny over there...you know that the trial for capital punishment costs thousands of dollars, right? The actual execution is cheap, but the trial is insanely expensive.

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I think it's not fair for people to be killed, even if they are murderers. I mean, doesn't that mean we're sinking to their level? So it's like saying that punching is bad, and so as a punishment you're getting punched. How is that fair?

Jess, face it. People murder. But if they escape prison, they'll keep doing it. It's almost like an insult to the family. If someone murdered dad, wouldn't you want them dead?
Not to mention that it's a real possibility that people put on the death penalty are innocent. Better a hundred guilty men walk free than one innocent man be punished.

Right. The chances of that are very low, you know that right? As you mentioned, trials are very expensive, and they're expensive for a reason. We want to make absolutely sure we have the right person. But we can't let a guilty person go free, or else they'll keep killing.
And Jonny over there...you know that the trial for capital punishment costs thousands of dollars, right? The actual execution is cheap, but the trial is insanely expensive.

Not nearly as much as it costs to support a person for the rest of their life.
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Not nearly as much as it costs to support a person for the rest of their life.


Not true at all, it is substantially more expensive for the capital punishment judicial process then it is for life incarceration. This has been a fact for quite some time now.
I would site sources, but if you look it up on the web yourself, you will find hundreds of valid sources. Depending on the state, the cost of the judicial process for capital punishment can be as much as 4 times the cost of incarceration for life without parole.
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In this exchange, donpiet > graham.

hey hey, wait a min

or you slap him back again to hurt him more. than he kicks you, you punch him, he stabs you, you shoot him.escalation of violence is a very common phenomenom


you have two inert choices when it comes to danger, fight or run. when your opposer is larger than you and much stronger the likely choice is run. it doesn't have to be 1v1. why do you think birds fly away the second you get too near? that is how it survives. territorial beings rather fight because in order to survive the wilderness he/she must have a share of land. in a case of an organised police force vs. prisoner(s) then by no doubt the police will 'uv won in the end. also there is your strongest emotion involved. fear. how do you think the concentration camps reigned? fear. a larger intimidating crowd of which a majority approve of is sure to strike you scared. escalated violence occurs when someone isn't the brightest bulb and equates an eye for a leg.
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In this exchange, donpiet > graham.

hey hey, wait a min

or you slap him back again to hurt him more. than he kicks you, you punch him, he stabs you, you shoot him.escalation of violence is a very common phenomenom


you have two inert choices when it comes to danger, fight or run. when your opposer is larger than you and much stronger the likely choice is run. it doesn't have to be 1v1. why do you think birds fly away the second you get too near? that is how it survives. territorial beings rather fight because in order to survive the wilderness he/she must have a share of land. in a case of an organised police force vs. prisoner(s) then by no doubt the police will 'uv won in the end. also there is your strongest emotion involved. fear. how do you think the concentration camps reigned? fear. a larger intimidating crowd of which a majority approve of is sure to strike you scared. escalated violence occurs when someone isn't the brightest bulb and equates an eye for a leg.
Graham
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Innocent capital punishment victims are put to death deliberately,


we are all for killing innocents aren't we?

Better a hundred guilty men walk free than one innocent man be punished.


would you kill 1 for 5 or 5 for 1?

In addition, states and countries that have abolished capital punishment have decreased their murder rates on the average of 39% since the year 2000.


correlation does not equal causation
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Just out of curiosity, how do you murder someone by accident? It isn't really murder if it's done accidentally, now is it...

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Yeah I think we should if they kill someone I know!

But they killed the person, so killing the killer doesn't help bring back the dead person.

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I heard somewhere it is harder to forgive then to punish. Maybe if a murderer is willing to accept and be shown forgiveness he will in turn show others this wonderful thing too. I think in Scotland some killed somebody and the government showed the man forgiveness by allowing him to leave the country if he promised to never do it again. The facts aren't 100% accurate, but this actually happened look it up on Google.

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