ForumsWEPRShould we be more stricter on people who murder people on purpose?

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xplayfang4
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ok this is a big thing hears the deal whut do you want to hapin to a person that kills one of your family member would you want them to stay in prison for life like what it is now where prisons is overflowing becase of this or would you like to have them exicutid becase they took a life so should theres be taken too???

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Freakenstein
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Wistress, if that's true, then I say that people should be given death penalty if they can prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the person is guilty, that he/she committed that crime. Others, if they aren't very sure at all, then DP should be prohibited.

Here's more reality: It costs money to put people in jail, even more to put people in jail for life. As blunt and brutal as it is, it costs less to execute people than it is to hold them in a prison. When there are too many people in a prison, there is yet even more money involved to build more prisons.

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Graham
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I'm STILL trying to find the idealism in that fact


your stance in this argument is the there shouldn't be a death penalty because innocents are killed and you find it unethical.

idealism - it shouldn't be there because there's a chance for killing the wrong person

reality - nothing is perfect, and i'd outweigh death penalty's pros rather than cons.

besides, that question is hypothetical.
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Execution is the best choice, not only did the kill another human being but keeping them in prison fro life is virtually paying for them to kill someone, its a waste of taxpayer money and space in out prisons.

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Here's more reality: It costs money to put people in jail, even more to put people in jail for life. As blunt and brutal as it is, it costs less to execute people than it is to hold them in a prison. When there are too many people in a prison, there is yet even more money involved to build more prisons.


Where are you people getting your "facts" from? It is fact that it cost us (well, me, and anyone else that works), as taxpayers, as much as 4 times the amount to keep someone in the capital punishment system and subsequent death penalty phase then it does to keep someone in for life. Perhaps when some of you people start getting 1/3 of your pay check taken out in taxes, you'll understand the facts ... not the BS sprung on all the forums. I have already stated that it cost substantially less to keep someone in prison for life. That has been fact for many years now.

idealism - it shouldn't be there because there's a chance for killing the wrong person


There's not a chance it will happen, it HAS happened, it IS happening, and it WILL continue to happen ... how much more real can a statement be? NOT idealism at all, it's plain realism because it's fact.
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here ya go.

people also WILL get AIDS. seems to you that a probability means it WILL happen. throw some quantum physics in there and i think you'll second guess.

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throw some quantum physics in there and i think you'll second guess.


i see no relation between quantum physics and the judical system.

seems to you that a probability means it WILL happen.


if the probability of an event is unequal 0(which by definition implies it is higher), it is certain, that at some point, the event will happen. the only question is, how long will it take to happen and how often will it be.

for me the chance and the fact that innocent people died because of the death penalty makes it unacceptable to maintain that system. we cannot uphold a punishment that needs such a sacrifice.
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people also WILL get AIDS


Uh from what exactly?
Graham
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i see no relation between quantum physics and the judical system.


i wasn't relating it to the judicial, i was meaning there's a chance for just about anything

for me the chance and the fact that innocent people died because of the death penalty makes it unacceptable to maintain that system. we cannot uphold a punishment that needs such a sacrifice.


there's no such thing as a free lunch
valkyrie1119
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there's no such thing as a free lunch


Correct. Nothing is free, nothing.
Graham
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Nothing is free, nothing.


that statement is false however.

[quote]Uh from what exactly?[quote]

er... if your blood is in contact with someone w/ it, you drink like 6 gallons of saliva from that person, and through sex. AIDS started out as 'the homo disease'
Graham
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Nothing is free, nothing.


that statement is false however.

[quote]Uh from what exactly?[quote]

er... if your blood is in contact with someone w/ it, you drink like 6 gallons of saliva from that person, and through sex. AIDS started out as 'the homo disease'
valkyrie1119
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that statement is false however.


How? Name something that is free. And prove it.
Graham
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why do you think i said there's NO such thing as a free lunch? saying there is debacles the whole phrase.

in order to have nothing you need something that could fill that void. and even little things have emotional value in your mind.

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why do you think i said there's NO such thing as a free lunch?


Just go to Costco and eat a bunch of free samples. There's your free lunch.
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