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Blu3sBr0s
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This might have been made before but...

Apparently 88% of Americans believe in Astrology.

Funny, 50% of Americans reject evolution...so creationism is apparently less reputable than Astrology...ANYWAYS

Does anyone on AG believe in this Pseudopsychology?

I mean c'mon. The idea that the time you were born dictates the events of your life, then there's the fact that when these were all made up the Earth was on a different tilt or whatever and now all the stars are one month ahead of where they were when the Mayans? first came up with the different signs...

Then there's the fact that all the predicitons are so vague, and they often predominantely predict positive events in your life rather than negative. And there are so many predictons in a horoscope for just ONE day...

I just wanna see who hear is smart and who isn't xD

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TotallySane
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I just wanna see who hear is smart and who isn't xD


Ok, I'll just put you under the "Not-So-Smart" list.
Graham
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you find the things are true because you're looking for them. i think they're vague and placebo-like

Blobman
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depends on who fives them to. Some times if it's to general (for everyone) then yes it will be vague. But if you're getting a PERSONAL reading then you will see some, if not almost all, of the predictions to be correct. If you what to make sure then learn Astrology your self to compare with the Astrologist. Makes a good conversation opener to.

Blobman
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Sorry. I meant GIVES not FIVES.

IchoridPheonix
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hmmm...
i would suggest that you, rather than reading the cheesy, worthless horoscopes in the local newspaper, buy a few books on the subject, because its not so simple as that. and one school of thought claims that the light energy that comes to earth from certain (all actually) stars in one way or another affects all of us at all times. It is also believed by some that when we reincarnate, we are reborn on whatever day pertains to what we need to learn in this life...
but those are beliefs.
Astrology in many cases is the study of quantifiable statistics based upon people's personalities. due to the fact that as people we generally bring to ourselves whatever we need or want...
(think about it for a second, if you want something, you can pretty much have it, i of course am talking about ways that one may or may not fulfill themselves in life, not things like "i want a million dollars" which comically, if that was your main goal in life, and you made every decision to get there every chance you got, i guarantee you would get it)
... if there is a way to statistically presume things about the nature of a person, then it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to presume the sort of problems they may have.

but in the end, its all just theory...

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These are interesting videos on the subject (I know it kinda deviates from astrology but it kinda goes into cold readings etc.

I don't believe in them at all... They are interesting to read sometimes though always wrong for me then again I know I'm a Taurus why should I care? I dunno XD I think their is alot of BS out there and scam merchants that have used the idea (no matter how real the core idea is) to make money.

Graham
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(fun debate in photo1 to a polytheist carrying a large astrology book)

you think they are true because they're good things.

ex. it says you are generous. would you disagree with this? not really.

they're old. (response: you don't know everything about the creators) you don't need to know everything about the past to figure out the future.

i think astrology's interesting and a self-esteem booster but i hope people won't take it seriously.

Graham
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(fun debate in photo1 to a polytheist carrying a large astrology book)

you think they are true because they're good things.

ex. it says you are generous. would you disagree with this? not really.

they're old. (response: you don't know everything about the creators) you don't need to know everything about the past to figure out the future.

i think astrology's interesting and a self-esteem booster but i hope people won't take it seriously.

IchoridPheonix
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i find it interesting that you say that its all positive... you should pick up a book called the Darkside Zodiac by Stella Hyde, its an interesting read.
and i would take care before you generalize what you think i believe, its better to try to understand things as opposed to believing in them.
the word believe means to think something is true based upon faith (that is without evidence). Rather than take an idea upon oneself on faith (or attack it even), one should try to understand the subject, not to say that it is true, or that it is not true...
but before speaking, whether one "believes" in something or not, they should at least try to understand it. or possibly discuss something with the aim of further understanding. and for the record i hope that noone takes anything seriously, its bad for the liver.
and actually, i would like to know what astrological material you are reading that is all positive
(im just curious, because in my studies ive never encountered such a thing)
and things that tell you you are "generous" or that good things will happen to you, or that you are selfish, or mean spirited, or even that you tend to use people (something ive read in my own astrological charts, btw) is meant to be viewed by someone who is willing to be honest with themselves.

and furthermore, you should be aware that ones sun sign (the one that is designated by the date of your birth)
is only the tip of the iceberg, if you want to know more about astrology, and not the cheap newspaper BS or the parlor trick fortune teller slop,
just do a little bit of research, you dont have to agree with it, but until you do a little more research, disagreeing with it may be considered a premature decision.

Blu3sBr0s
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i would suggest that you, rather than reading the cheesy, worthless horoscopes in the local newspaper, buy a few books on the subject


1) I took your Post virginity!!! Yay me I've never dont that before xD

2) I'm not going to give those people my money by buying their books =P

There's a reason it is considered a pseudopsychology / pseudoscience. Because it isn't true. They do not follow the scientific method, plain and simple, and therefore cannot be proven. Astrology's predictions are too vague. And you cannot be given a list of instructions to predict your future that will work every single time. In science experiments have to be repeatable.

i think astrology's interesting and a self-esteem booster but i hope people won't take it seriously.


I've found a couple of polls on how many people believe it and stuff. They range from 1/3 of Americans to 88%, I used the 88% in the OP because it sounds scary xD

Astrology in many cases is the study of quantifiable statistics based upon people's personalities. due to the fact that as people we generally bring to ourselves whatever we need or want...


It believes any person can be fit into a specific class, and all those people will have the same traits, and therefore they will have similair events occur to them.

Now it sounds like you are eliminating the part where the stars decide what your personality it. But I can accept that if your defenition of Astrology is different from mine...

if there is a way to statistically presume things about the nature of a person, then it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to presume the sort of problems they may have.


Problem. There isn't a way to statistically presume things about the nature of a person. Your personality can not be determined by the time of day/season/month you were born.
IchoridPheonix
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I dont believe in it i mean just cause jupiter was in lined with saturn when i was born doesn't mean i have to be geneorous and all these tarot readings i mean c'mon its a pack of cards just chance which ones you choose


i dont know how much you underatcnd about the subconcious mind, but i feel i sshould clarify something.
this, by the way is scientific, not esoteric in nature. although tarot has bee considered a part of the occult for hundreds of years, and admittedly is part of the occult, it is more than that. there is no such thing as chance, especially when dealing with cards. if you learn tarot, that is what all the cards mean, then even if you are not actively thinking about it, your subconcious mind holds onto this information, and when anything comes up that deals with it, your subconcious mind processes it and makes connectionc that are essentially "saved" in your brain. lets say that i know everything that there is to know about tarot, (i dont btw) but lets say that ive been studying for decades... making it a deeply ingrained part of my subconcious mind...
now, when i shuffle a deck that im used to, if ive flipped through it first, to let my mind grow accustomed to where the cards are (even if my concious mind doesnt track, that is to say even if i think i dont remember... my subconcious mind knows where each and every card is, and holds onto this information) my hands will subconciously put the cards where they should be.
the problem with the subconcious, is that one cannot communicate concioously with that section of the brain. in the same way that dreams may be interpreted for psychological purposes, tarot may be used for the same thing. sometimes it doesnt apply, but when that is the case, it is wise to shrug it off. but alot of the time, tarot provides an opportunity for your subconcious mind to be in control of "chance" (which isnt actually chance, because every time a card is moved or shuffled, your body, thusly, your brain, put it there) and sometimes give you some insight into psychological or emotional problems you may not have understood fully. Personally i use it as a tool for meditation. it gives me something to think about.

like i said in my previous post, if you want to know about these things, do a little research, it doesnt take much to begin understand it, even if you dont agree with it.
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and actually, i would like to know what astrological material you are reading that is all positive


i wasn't meaning all of it was, i was just assuming the majority is because of a overview ofa 1900's book and a large 500 page book.
IchoridPheonix
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then dont buy their books, do some library research.
and you seem to have a misunderstanding of science... science is NEVER proven...
there are ZERO, i repeat, ZERO facts in science.
did you miss that in high school science? if you are there yet...
there is EVIDENCE, and THEORY...
for instance sometimes gravity is refered to as the LAW of gravity... this is poor slang, in technical terms, it is the THEORY of gravity. due to the fact that "scientific method" as you claim to understand, allows for the fact that we do not have all the information on anything, ever... there is always more evidence for one thing or another.
and the scientific method, once again, is merely to collect evidence, analyze the data, collect more evidence, analyze more data, and at some point come up with a hypothesis, that (in our world) may be given the right to become a scientific theory. Which requires the aproval of the world scientific community. There are many ideas out there which are not scientific theories, which are viable.

and like i said before, if you DECIDE to not research, you are being willfully ignorant, and the opinions of the ignorant (someone who does know anything about the subject is considered connotatively ignorant) are inherently flawed.
because without data, or evidence on the subject THEY are refusing to use scientific theory.

Graham
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there is no such thing as chance,


heardof freudian slips?

my hands will subconciously put the cards

to do that you need to be in a state similar to hypnosis. to be conscious of your movement would likely make them voluntary.
IchoridPheonix
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a freudian slip is not chance... lol
its an action of the subconcious mind
and the subconcious mind controls everything we do and feel.
im sorry, but to mention freud and not know that is a bit silly.

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