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The Dalai lama just visited Vancouver for a Peace Summit. he gathered all the "leaders" of schools in British Columbia and allowed them to come and see him for free. He then preached Buddhist doctrine to them in a most wonderful way. Informing them that the only way to end war is for people to find "inner peace"

I think the Dalai Lama is a false idol. He preaches, but he doesn't practice.

He won the Nobel Peace Prize after he took money from the CIA in the cold war to fund crusades to liberate Tibet?

He uses air rifles to shoot hawks that eat the birds he feeds on his grounds in India?

He campaigns for religious tolerance but has condemned rival Buddhist Sect Dorje Shugden?

He has admitted to having sexual dreams about women.

He seems a bit hypocritical. Although I do agree with his ideals.

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^can I have proof that he did these things?

"hey Mr. dalai lama?
"yes"
do you have sexual fantasies about women?"
"all da time"

/joke.

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Sexual Dreams about women + killing of hawks:



This is an interview he did for the New York Times in ?1997?



Dalai Lama's administration acknowledges CIA funding.



Discussion of Dalai Lama' opinion on Dorje Shugden. I can't really find a source atm but his dislike is common knowledge.

Interesting facts: The Dalai Lama is anti-abortion and anti-homosexual. but pro-prostitution.

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^the dalai is only human after all. He has some flaws.
I still respect him as a great human even though he does those things. Maybe I should go hunting with him sometime.

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The Dalai lama is not supposed to encourage violent acts, or engage in them. He is also not allowed relations with women.

I disagree. he is held to a higer standard than a human being, and therefore should not act like one.

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Q: Did you say that killing sometimes is acceptable?

A: Comparatively. In human society, some people do get killed, for a
variety of reasons. However, when you have an established army, and
countries with those armies go to war, the casualties are immense. It's not
one or two casualties, it's thousands. And with nuclear weapons, it's
millions, really millions. For that reason, the arms trade is really
irresponsible. Irresponsible! Global demilitarization is essential.


found this in the link you gave. It says nothing about supporting fighting.
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found this in the link you gave. It says nothing about supporting fighting.


That's when he's putting on his "nice dalai lama" routine =P

In the second link his administration funded Tibetan independence movements as a part of the CIA's anti-communism operations. He seems to be involved in actions that lead to violence or aggravated political situations, causing violence.

He is not supposed to kill in anyway. He's shooting birds, he may only be injuring them but those injuries could lead to death in the forms of inability to hunt, etc.
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*GASP*

There's a video all over the internet of him killing a fly!

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There's a video all over the internet of him killing a fly!


DEAR GOD! PETA is going to be all over his a**!

I haven't read the second link yet..
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Well it was a win-win thing. The dalai could have his country back and the US got to see China get humiliated. I'm not really sure if the article is cerdiable or not. It seems kinda short...

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Dalai Lama decrees fallowers of Dorje Shugden as evil.

Names were collected of disobedient Buddhists who remained followers. 300 Tibetans in exile in India say they recieved letters threatening their safety based on their religious beliefs.

Tibetan Department of Health threatens to fire any doctors who continue to follow Dorje Shugden.

The Dalai Lama's word is practically law in Tibet. If he says something it creates political shockwaves.

I'm not really sure if the article is cerdiable or not


Valid point.

Well it was a win-win thing. The dalai could have his country back and the US got to see China get humiliated.


The point is the hypocrisy of his actions. He preaches but he don't practice.
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^ well you have to consider that the dalai lama is the "incarnation" of Buddha so you should expect people to follow him.

Aren't we all hypocrites in some way or another? =p

I can see why Dorje Shugden's teachings could be evil. They are trying to dispose of dalai's power. so the best thing for dalai to do is play the good and evil game.

so that does make him a hypocrite.

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Not all your resources are good especially the first one which is just text and the others seem biased against him already.

I don't like some things about him and I don't believe he is the "incarnation" of Buddha but it seems to me like his is an overall good person. He is like deserteagle said human.

The Dalai lama just visited Vancouver for a Peace Summit. he gathered all the "leaders" of schools in British Columbia and allowed them to come and see him for free. He then preached Buddhist doctrine to them in a most wonderful way. Informing them that the only way to end war is for people to find "inner peace"


What wrong with that if my university was with that program I would of went to see that. His religion is about peace so when he preaches about it he preaches about peace. I don't see anything wrong with it he isn't trying to convert people.
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Not all your resources are good especially the first one which is just text


It is the entirety of an interview with a well known New York Times reporter. It just isn't on the NYT website.

What wrong with that if my university was with that program I would of went to see that


It's leaders of high schools as well. He visits Vancouver a lot more often than onther places. And I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with that, I was merely stating what's he's doing at the moment.

I can see why Dorje Shugden's teachings could be evil. They are trying to dispose of dalai's power. so the best thing for dalai to do is play the good and evil game.


The Dalai Lama has been desribed as a religious dictator.

Quotes from my links:

It is apparent that it is the Dalai Lamaâs role as ultimate spiritual authority that is holding back the political process of democratisation. The assumption that he occupies the correct moral ground from a spiritual perspective means that any challenge to his political authority may be interpreted as anti-religious.


In the 1950's when the Dalai Lama was in power in Tibet there was 95% illiteracy, no public health, no public electricity.

Fertile land in Tibet was distributed as so:

30.9 percent was owned by government officials, 29.6 percent by nobles, and 39.5 percent by monasteries and upper-ranking lamas

Slavery was practised

To most peasants the Chinese were liberators. Now the former oppresors are re-writing history and pretending they are the opressed.

Key to this mythical utopia at the top of the world, was the brand of Buddhism lead by the Dali Lama that perpetuated this set twisted social system. The poor at the bottom were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime.


The statutory code of old Tibet that divided the population was divinely inspired, dividing people-up into three classes and nine ranks. Those belonging to the highest rank, like the rich or royalty were worth more than say a farm worker. The equation to âvalueâ a human was based on the weight of a dead-body â" the highest ranks being calculated in the corpses weight in gold, and the lower classes in straw. So the rich could literally get away with murder and rape & a poor servant lose an arm for stealing a chicken.


And who was the biggest despot in this tyranny?

Yep you guessed it, that all round good guy, Tenzin Gyatso, The 14th Dali Lama.


He had the most to lose when the Chinese came. And now he is painting a different picture.
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Dalai Lama is hypocrite, who would anything to earn his "throne" back and to have more money.

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Dalai Lama is hypocrite, who would anything to earn his "throne" back and to have more money.


I don't know about THAT.

I am not necessarily taking a side, I never like to do that =P

I'm merely pointing out the general thoughts about the Dalai Lama at the moment. And how, even if he may have changed somewhat, we still have to remember what he did. And a lot of people my age didn't even know he was once ruler of Tibet, including me. Till a couple of days ago when I heard he was coming again, and wanted to learn more about him.
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