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mmdc
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so what do you guys think about abortion? Basically what people say justify it is that the fetus "isn't human," it's an animal. The same people, however also say that we need to save the whales and ban hunting? so what's it gonna be guys? (I believe That a baby is a human from conception)

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Samuele
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Shepherd

To me, the bort is something that should be avoided because it is killing a comatose person.

Nightfox44
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i'm with abortion but only if the parents wouldn't be able to support the child, but the idiots who need an abortion shoulda used condoms anyway.

MageGrayWolf
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Farmer

Basically what people say justify it is that the fetus "isn't human," it's an animal.


What? People are animals regardless of age. Never heard anyone make this argument before.

Here's how the argument goes.
Pro Life?
DirtyCodingHabitz
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but the idiots who need an abortion shoulda used condoms anyway.


I know its just stupid, use condoms how hard is it lol
MageGrayWolf
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i'm with abortion but only if the parents wouldn't be able to support the child, but the idiots who need an abortion shoulda used condoms anyway.


Unfortunately it isn't that simple. Contraceptives aren't 100% and there are other cases such as rape or the pregnancy puts the mothers life at risk.

There is no easy answer to this. It's a horrible decision to make, but having it legal allows the mother the abortion preformed in the safest manner possible.

To make it illegal (which it was at one point) People who feel that desperate will go to have "back ally abortions" that puts everyone involved at risk often resulting in serious infections or even death for the mother.
balerion07
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People are not animals. We have souls. I don't care what secular scientists classify us as. Once again science fails.

MageGrayWolf
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People are not animals. We have souls. I don't care what secular scientists classify us as. Once again science fails.


What's a soul?
rafterman
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A fetus is technically a parasite, and what do you do when you have a parasite? You go to the doctor to kill it.

balerion07
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It is not parasitism it is mutualistic symbiosis.

ligaboy
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People are not animals.


Then what are humans, fungi? Believe me, we're animals.


If it were up to me, I would keep abortions legal. However, I feel like abortion is only the right thing to do under certain circumstances. Rape, baby will be born unhealthy and probably die, mother's life is at risk, and other reasons.
JJ52
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What I dont understand is this:

if you kill a pregnant women and her baby also dies, its a double homicide
BUT
When the mother kills the baby it isntmurder

That, to me, makes no sense at all...

BTW, I agree that it is human from the second the egg is fertilized(conception)

DirtyCodingHabitz
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What I dont understand is this:

if you kill a pregnant women and her baby also dies, its a double homicide
BUT
When the mother kills the baby it isntmurder

That, to me, makes no sense at all...


I think that's when the system goes wrong and the laws stop making sense, I don't understand it either lol
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[quote]A fetus is technically a parasite, and what do you do when you have a parasite? You go to the doctor to kill it.
It is not parasitism it is mutualistic symbiosis.[/quote]

O RLY?

What does the mother gain from the pregnancy? Nothing. She actually has to work harder. When an organism benefits off another organism while that organism is being harmed, it is called Parasitism.

When an organism benefits off an organism that isn't being harmed not benefited, it is called Commensalism.

I don't exactly agree with abortion, but in some cases I can see why it would be accepted.
Blu3sBr0s
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A fetus is technically a parasite, and what do you do when you have a parasite? You go to the doctor to kill it.


I tried to make that argument once. It was a failure. A parasite has to be a different species than it's host.

It is not parasitism it is mutualistic symbiosis.


Once again, they are not different species so you can't classify the relationship like this.

I think Mother + Child seems about right xD

Abortion should be legal in cases of:rape, broken condoms, failed birth control, and inability to support the child (financially + emotionally)

In Canada, the Minister of Child Services should ensure that special permission to abort is given.

If the child was conceived due to plain ol' lack of using ANY birth control, etc. And the couple has the financial means to support the child, along with the expectation that the relationship will continue (to avoide broken families), then the child should live.

There, I just solved the problem. Was it so hard?

When the mother kills the baby it isntmurder


Uh....yes it is. It's called Infanticide genius.

it is called Commensalism.


For the last time =P Since they are both the same species NONE of these relationships are correct.
Blu3sBr0s
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When the mother kills the baby it isntmurder
That, to me, makes no sense at all...


Oh wait, unless you are calling a fetus inside the mother a baby.

Which it isn't

Until it can be removed from the mother and can survive outside the uterus, then it isn't a second person. It is merely a part of the mother.
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