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KeedzAI
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"Does Heaven And Hell Exist?"

Science says that they don't exist while on the other hand religion says they do exist. At the same time they both do and don't exist. In religion they say that when you die you either go to hell or heaven.

If you go to hell then supposevly you will suffer eternal torment. If you go to heaven supposevly you'll find peace, happiness, joy, etc. Before I continue just think of this "How long is eternity?" Eternity means forever in this case. Personally I find it a bit harsh to send someone to hell for eternity just for killing someone. I'd think it should be like a 1,000 to maybe a 1,000,000 years but not eternity. Even if it is for millions of years you'd get used to all the torment after a while.

When people talk about how when you die you'd go to heaven and find peace, happiness, joy, etc. But they never said how long for or if it was for eternity. I mean everyone here would be sick of it all after awhile and if you say that you wouldn't be then try saying that after like 1,000 to maybe 10,000 years of doing it. After hundreds, thousands, maybe even tens of thousands years you would've done everything you could've ever wanted to do. After you get sick of it all heaven will start to be hell for you. And I'll say this again no one ever said how long you stay in heaven whether it is for a 1,000 or maybe a 1,000,000 years or if it is for eternity. If it was for eternity then heaven would become hell for you as I have explained already.

Others say that heaven and hell don't exist and instead when you die your soul just sits in emptiness. To explain what the emptiness looks like the is that there's nothing other than yourself in it, everything around you is black, everything around you is dark, it never ends so you could run for billions of years straight and it'd never end, and that your soul just sits there for eternity. An example of what'd it feel like is like when your asleep and dreaming. This theory/belief can be considered hell.

Just living can be both heaven and hell. At times you can find both happiness and despair. So even if you don't go to heaven or hell when you die you can still experience both of them by just living which would both prove heaven and hell to be true and false (real and not real).

To summarize everything that I have just said would be that heaven and hell at the same time does and doesn't exist.

Besides even if you go to heaven or hell when you die we'd have no way of knowing.

What I have just said is the only true answer, the only real answer, the only logical answer, the only reasonable answer, and the best answer. It is the only logical, real, truest, and the most reasonable best answer we will ever get.

If anyone religious or not religious here thinks that what I have just said is full of BS then I dare you to prove me wrong I really would like to see you prove me wrong.

Just think of everything I have just said. I mean really think of this don't do that BS stuff and think of it for 5 seconds or less and then answer and say that this is full of SH*T. I mean really think of it spend weeks, months, maybe even a year if you really feel like it.

JUST THINK OF IT!

If you actually do think of it then it should be clear that this is the only logical answer.

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choazmachine
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No. Maybe, but I don't think Heaven nor Hell exist. For Heaven has to have God, and I don't believe in God, plus Hell has Lucifer (The Devil) and I don't believe in him either.

Graham
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more likely to get an educated answer in this section.

As of right now, wall of text = *facepalm*

WoodyGuthrie
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misinterpreted allegory for sure.

overphil
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christianity (like all religions)
are just an explanation for stuff people many years ago didnt understand

how do we get sick?
god makes us sick because we did something bad

we now know this is because of germs, bacteria, our immune system etc etc

god is false
therefore satan is false
which would me heaven and hell dont exist
trust me
religion is a waste of time
live your life the way you want
when you die
its just nothing
you dont feel or think anything
its just nothing

long story short, its a fairy tale

SwordAndShield
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More religions material instead of tavern material, but we'll all find out sometime or another..

Bjiscuit
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god is false
therefore satan is false
which would me heaven and hell dont exist
trust me
religion is a waste of time
live your life the way you want
when you die
its just nothing
you dont feel or think anything
its just nothing


this is an opinion just as mine is,

there's no definite way to prove either one is true, each simply takes faith.

i beleive in god and in heaven and hell, i believe that unless a person ask's God for fogiveness of their sins then they will go to heaven as long as their sincere about it.
like i said, this is my opinion.
dacer
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wrong section, lrn2readpl0x


anyways, heaven and hell are mearly states of mind, yet divine places that determine your end.

don't worry about it now, just live a happy life.

peaceman1
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Yes to me being muslim i do believe that heaven maybe its real then after i think of it in theory it dosent much exist i believe wat some say Just live ur life!

chibilin
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I believe that i will live again without memories and that my social status will be definied by my actions in this life, it sound strange but i like my idea. Its like the same purpose of heaven & hell being good while you live

FloydTC
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religion says they do exist.


christianity does, but not religion in general.
SomeKidSoDealWithIt
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I'm not sure about God or Satan (no, I'm not atheist, there's a word for what I am, but I can't remember it), but I do believe in Heaven and Hell.

FloydTC
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no, I'm not atheist, there's a word for what I am, but I can't remember it


agnostic?
German3945
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"Do Heaven and Hell Exist?"**

grammar.

fractalman
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I will not deal with wheter or not they exist in this post; rather, I will deal with what I believe they are, based on what the bible says.

While many Christians believe that when you die, you to to heaven or hell, this is not biblical, and if it is, send me the verses.
my belief is based uppon multiple passsages, this is the most obvious, revelation 20: 4-10

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earthâ"Gog and Magogâ"to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.


Devoured, not tormented...I think that some people mistake the next verse as continous torture for all the wicked.

10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever

...so, without any other knowledge of the bible, this verse would indicate that the vast majority of the wicked will be simply destroyed; only the devil himself will be tormented forever. I'll double check the lake of sulfur's attributes...
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Why not just be a zombie when you die, it can't be that bad.

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