Thought instead of continuing to thread jack the topic on abortion I would move this discussion into it's own thread.
The question is, are Humans animals? Can we even be compared to animals?
If we are not animals then what are we?
An argument was put forth we are socially not animals. On this I have to ask what is it socially that makes us truly that different? We pursue things just for the sheer pleasure of it? we see this behavior in other animals so that can't be it.
Another argument was we are not animals because unlike animals we have souls. If this is the case then what is a soul? What proof is there that such a thing even exists?
Humans, through their machinery, industrialisation and economic mores, have perpetrated more damage, destruction and suffering on this Earth than any other species, or even all of them combined, in the brief span of our recorded history.
That's some superiority we got right there, bro.
I never said we noticed what we were doing when we made amazing inventions.
we're currently re-inventing machines to make them better for the environment-- so yes, it is superiority.
and whether or not the ability to absolutely parch this earth is good, it still shows tha
German: My point is that superiority is in the eye of the beholder, I'm not interested in arguing the merits of humans versus other animals unless somebody makes a misinformed comment.
I know, I mention that to vegetarians who don't eat animals because it's cruel and they really don't have anything smart to say. I hate them a lot.
Everybody should become breatharian and live off air and the energy of the universe.
Everybody should become breatharian and live off air and the energy of the universe.
Actually every time we breathe and use diffusion to replace our CO2 with fresh O2, there is a hypersonic squeal, it's proven that atoms feel pain as well.
German: My point is that superiority is in the eye of the beholder, I'm not interested in arguing the merits of humans versus other animals unless somebody makes a misinformed comment.
no, superiority is being better than another, and although humans have the ability to fuck everything up, they are still better than other animals because they can make millions of inventions that make life easier, more affordable, healthier, longer, more profitable, etc.
no, superiority is being better than another, and although humans have the ability to **** everything up, they are still better than other animals because they can make millions of inventions that make life easier, more affordable, healthier, longer, more profitable, etc.
German, do you see how this paragraph does not actually address my original premise that superiority is in the eye of the beholder?
"Making life easier, more affordable, healthier, profitable" are all criteria held by us such that we measure standards by them. We are still the beholder of our own assessments.
The other thing you miss is that regardless of how much we minimise our impact, like all other animals our very existence as a more organised form means that we exert an entropic effect on the environment, just like everything else. In English, this means that we will always incur a cost on the environment no matter how small or large. In this way we are equal to other animals.
no, superiority is being better than another, and although humans have the ability to **** everything up, they are still better than other animals because they can make millions of inventions that make life easier, more affordable, healthier, longer, more profitable, etc.
Can't you see me and Strop are trying to talk? Can you just.. go away?
The only solution is to create a black hole so large it sucks up all matter and everything becomes One.
Blackholes feel pain when sucking things up, you are so insensitive.
"Making life easier, more affordable, healthier, profitable" are all criteria held by us such that we measure standards by them. We are still the beholder of our own assessments.
more affordable, healthier, more profitable, and longer life are all statistic-based.
we will always incur a cost on the environment no matter how small or large. In this way we are equal to other animals.
yes however our ability to better ourselves through things other than evolution (it may not make us superior, but) at the least it sets us apart.
