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thelistman
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Federal judges have come up with the miraculous idea to release thousands of criminals from prison to save money. We all know money is more important than public safety.

Now, releasing people who are in for drug possession or misdemeanors who are close to release anyways, I have no problem with. But there will be felons who are released. If I had to make revisions to these plans (other than burning it), here is what I would do:

For the people released with felonies on their record, they must start doing two of the following within 2 months after their release:

1. Enroll as a full time student in college.
2. Find a job and work 20 hours a week.
3. Serve 10 hours of community service a week.

If the felon does not follow these guidelines, send them straight back to prison to finish their sentence.

What are your opinions on the plan to release prisoners?

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snazzy777
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It's a good idea to save money, but it is bad because they were sentenced like they were in order to change them. It probably will help them become more effective citizens, but we will see. . .

DirtyCodingHabitz
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some criminals never change, but the ideas were good if they only followed them

Snakebite
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You idea is good, but 20 hours a week is only a part-time job, 10 hours of community service isn't enough for anyone in my opinion. and enrolling in college is way hard for criminals, if they can get in at all. I don't like the fact that they are wanting to release these guys, there's a reason why they're in there in the first place! But, it's OK if they have served a good portion of their time, and have changed.

TheWhiteStripe
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I think the idea is good but as snake said 20 hours is a minimum part time job.

NoNameC68
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Sorry, I don't see how those ssuggestions would help at all.

1. Enroll as a full time student in college.


Who's going to pay for them to go to college? The point in releasing the prisoners in the first place is to save money, and most prisoners don't have that kind of money. The only way they could be full time students is if the state payed their way through college. Not only would this cost more money, but this is a top notch, all payed for, scholorship for criminals! Only the best of students otherwise could get full payment for college, and that's hard work. So why should someone get a scholorship to go to college because they went to prison? Talk about unfair. Criminals already have more rights than victims, they shouldn't have more rights than everyone else as well.

If the released prisoners did have to pay their own way through college, that just isn't going to happen.

2. Find a job and work 20 hours a week.


What if they can't find a job? Criminals have very hard times trying to find jobs and it takes many a long time to find one. Would you provide them with jobs? If you said yes, way to go! You just screwed an innocent person out their job!

You can't make it a requirement for them to work. Not to mention the people who will still refuse to work, that would cost too much time and effort watching over them to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to.

3. Serve 10 hours of community service a week.


It would cost a lot to make sure that everyone who was released early served 10 hours of service. This is the best idea of the three, but it just isn't happening without a huge cost.

But there will be felons who are released.


How will the three suggestions that you came up with help keep people safe? Giving them opertunities or forcing them to work will not make them any more safe to be around.
Maverick4
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This is why I live on the East Coast...

Well, 20hr jobs a week really isnt that much, even if they get weekends off, 10hrs of community service is ridicously low, and I doubt any ex-con could get into a decent college, let alone pay for it. Maby an ITT School or something but...

And they cant really be serious about releasing murderers and the like like them? Can they? I mean, it has to only apply to those deamed with 'less serious' charges like Drug Possesion and such...

I hope I'm right, anyways...

communist09
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Some Prisoners do change with a little push and pull here and there, why if the prisoners that were brought to Australia had not been liberated Australia would not be the same as it is today!

The more you KNOW!!!!!

thelistman
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@NoNameC68

These criminals put themselves in that position. If they can't pay for college, or find a job, it is their fault. I do not have sympathy.

@others

The reason why I said they had to work only 20 hours is because it's very hard to get a job with more hours unless you have a degree. You can assume most of these criminals don't have a degree, so 20 hours is a good starting number.

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These criminals put themselves in that position. If they can't pay for college, or find a job, it is their fault. I do not have sympathy.

NO. NO NO NO NO NO. BAD. the legal system is devised because of people like you. when the judge makes his sentence, it is the debt to society the prisoner has to pay and that the entirety of society is supposed to treat as the only debt they should pay. there should never, EVER be any extra punishment-- the sentence is there so that there is a punishment time, and then it is OVER-- so that it is FAIR.

I hate people like you.
TSL3_needed
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These criminals put themselves in that position. If they can't pay for college, or find a job, it is their fault. I do not have sympathy.


Hanging them all would be a good alternative. The ones who are violent offenders anyways . . . .

NO. NO NO NO NO NO. BAD. the legal system is devised because of people like you. when the judge makes his sentence, it is the debt to society the prisoner has to pay and that the entirety of society is supposed to treat as the only debt they should pay. there should never, EVER be any extra punishment-- the sentence is there so that there is a punishment time, and then it is OVER-- so that it is FAIR.


The above goes for that too.
DirtyCodingHabitz
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Hanging them all would be a good alternative. The ones who are violent offenders anyways . . . .


Yes, but what about if one of your family members was in that position, would you support it and let them be hanged?
TSL3_needed
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Yes, but what about if one of your family members was in that position, would you support it and let them be hanged?


That's hard. Do really good friends and mentors count?

If so, then yes. Violent crimes are usually serious. Minor violent crimes of course not, but armed robbery, rape, etc. deserve capital punishment.

PS: It wasn't actually a violent crime he got convicted of, but arson is close enough.
thelistman
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there should never, EVER be any extra punishment-- the sentence is there so that there is a punishment time, and then it is OVER-- so that it is FAIR.

I hate people like you.


1. Getting a job or going to college is not a punishment.

2. This is not additional &quotunishment." If they are being released early because of budget cuts, then they have NOT paid their debt to society. They still owe.

3. People like you are the reason why criminals are repeat offenders. When criminals are released, they should be monitored and they should get a job or go to school so they can become a productive member of society. 66% of felons that get out of prison will commit a felony again within three years.

- Stat on repeat offenders.

balerion07
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People like you are the reason why criminals are repeat offenders.


Criminals breaking the law are the reason there are repeat offenders.
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