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balerion07
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The US gives 0.17% of its GDP in foreign aid compared to Sweden who gives 1.03% yet I keep hearing how all of our money is going overseas while people here are being screwed. Compared to other countries we are quite stingy. Even so many of you seem to think that other countries need to fend for them selves even if a huge number of them will starve without help. Can you really put a price on a life???

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Drace
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I keep hearing how all of our money is going overseas while people here are being screwed.


Its not about foreign aid that there referring.

Its about jobs being sent overseas. American companies establish factories and workshops in poverty zones where the labor is super cheap and exploit the f'ck out of their workers.
NoNameC68
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People aren't forced to work at sweatshops, they choose to work at sweatshops.

Sweatshops

But yeah, too many American jobs have gone over seas.

balerion07
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Some of them are. Obviously outsourcing is a major problem that should be taken care of as well as getting the damn illegals out of our country. Stupid Insourcing. Lol that came from the movie swing vote.

NoNameC68
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Illegals actually cause no real harm to our country. The harm they cause to the country is the same harm that the legals cause. Of curse, most illegals just work. They don't steal jobs, because nobody wants those jobs in the first place. Illegal immigrants are made bad by the media.

balerion07
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Thats when the economy is good. Hence we let them all in, and it hasn't been the first time. When the economy goes south we want the Mexicans to do the same.

Drace
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People aren't forced to work at sweatshops, they choose to work at sweatshops.


Because they are starving to death and getting paid few cents an hour is their only choice? Just because Wal mart isnt the one directly putting the guns on their heads, it does not mean there not responsible. Why don't I put a gun on your head and give you the choice of whether you be my slave or die? Its your choice, rofl.

Just because there is no better alternative, does not mean Wal mart has the right to exploit them massively. It also does not mean the conditions in these areas could not be much greater.
Drace
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Supporting sweat shops is ridiculous.

They actually exist only because there is no alternatives, creating a great chance for large companies to exploit. How do you view this positively?

This makes it counter-productive and anti-progressive.
If you view workshops as a positive force, there is not going to be new development and the poverty will only continue to INCREASE.
While it may keep the poor living, it won't let their living standards improve.

Though, it will make the capitalists running the workshop richer.

NoNameC68
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They actually exist only because there is no alternatives, creating a great chance for large companies to exploit. How do you view this positively?


If there were no sweatshots, then they would be working for even less pay. They would be doing more dangerous work. How would not having them improve their poverty level? It wouldn't.
Drace
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If there were no sweatshots, then they would be working for even less pay. They would be doing more dangerous work.


That's why we need radical changes, a revolution to overthrow the capitalist powers.

Your defense is just ignoring the problem by introducing a very weak alternative. Working in a sweatshop indeed is better then doing other work available.

However, sweatshops aren't instantly justified. They are no solution. Poverty will not improve and will continue to exist under their existence.

How would not having them improve their poverty level?


Sweatshops are heavily in favor of their owners. By not giving fair pay to the workers, profit is made and put in the pocket of the few, thus unbalancing the wealth equality.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
NoNameC68
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That's why we need radical changes, a revolution to overthrow the capitalist powers.


China owns the sweatshops. If Americans stopped buying from those sweatshops, people would work for less doing other jobs. It would not cause a revolution.

Sweatshops are heavily in favor of their owners. By not giving fair pay to the workers, profit is made and put in the pocket of the few, thus unbalancing the wealth equality.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.


The only reason America should not support sweatshops, is because China makes money off of them. In fact, not buying as much from China in general would help the economy greatly. America get's richer, China gets poorer.

Everyone wants sweatshops to be fair to their workers. If they were fair to their workers, then great. But it's up to China, not America. All Americans can do is stop buying sweatshop items. That isn't going to happen.
NoNameC68
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That's why we need radical changes, a revolution to overthrow the capitalist powers.


Or you can overthrow places that support sweatshops rather than a whole government. That way, things actually get done.
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Or you can overthrow places that support sweatshops rather than a whole government. That way, things actually get done.


Goodidea!!!

Let's make the whites our slaves!!!!
s3ri3s1
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How do you think those companies are allowed to build sweatshops in the first place? Wouldn't it be safe to surmise that the companies have the local government in their pocket? It is human greed that drives it, not being white/black/ or any other color, and the same reason communism fails in anything outside of an academic study.

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Communism works great as long as the leaders understand key points. Freedom is the enemy. Fear is your ally. Ask chairman Mao or Joseph Stalin. Not even Russia knows how many Stalin offed just to keep power. When Russia loosened its grip on power, thats when communism stopped working there. China has not loosened its grip so communism continues to work there. And back to the point of the topic, looking at multiple sources about foriegn aid I have come to the conclusion that the data is totally unreliable. I have found sources ranging all over the place on what we give. Also volunteerism and non monetary aid is usually not factored into any of these discussions. We may only give a small amount of money to one disaster but we might send other types of aid as well. One of Iran's earthquakes that was rather devastating we sent only a small amount of money compared to other nations but in place of that we sent search and rescue dogs with handlers, heavy equipment to excavate,dig and remove debris with operators and medical supplies. But then again, if I was ruling an underdevoloped nation I would only want money too since the people of are usually deemed expendable by dictators anyway.

tomertheking
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Ask chairman Mao or Joseph Stalin.


Uhhhh... the're dead, you know, so..
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