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other religions like Judaism acknowledge his existence. not as the son of god or a prophet but as a man (I asked my Jewish friends about it).Therefore there is some weight behind Jesus existing.

yes he is real.

The thing is, saying Jesus wasn't real is like saying Buddha or Aristotle or Julius Caesar weren't real. There's not what you deem "significant" evidence for them either.

other religions like Judaism acknowledge his existence

The thing is, saying Jesus wasn't real is like saying Buddha or Aristotle or Julius Caesar weren't real. There's not what you deem "significant" evidence for them either.

AM I can't get the cApS things right all the time so I'm just gonna call you AM if that's ok. Anyway, there's a lot of reasons, for Jesus not leaving a mark until a few years after he died.

1. Persecution and Wars. The Early Christians were hated by the Romans, and if they had any documents on Jesus in their huts when the guards raided them, then they'd have been burned with the bodies.

2. Oral tradition. The Ancient Jews passed things along by conversations. That's just how they did it. There was a atime whenever they started writing things down, and this is also about the time when Jesus documents appear.

3. There was a guy who tried to make Christianity a world relgion by collecting all the historical and religious documents on Jesus. His name was Constantine, and he ruled over all the mediteranean land so he went through and destroyed historical and relgious documents of Jesus if they didn't agree with him.

Here's an old drawing showing 'book burning' by Constantine.



So those are just some of the reasons.

Persecution and Wars. The Early Christians were hated by the Romans, and if they had any documents on Jesus in their huts when the guards raided them, then they'd have been burned with the bodies

Oral tradition. The Ancient Jews passed things along by conversations. That's just how they did it. There was a atime whenever they started writing things down, and this is also about the time when Jesus documents appear.

There was a guy who tried to make Christianity a world relgion by collecting all the historical and religious documents on Jesus. His name was Constantine, and he ruled over all the mediteranean land so he went through and destroyed historical and relgious documents of Jesus if they didn't agree with him.

AM So it looks like what your looking for is a document saying he existed at the time he was existing. This document would have to be written by a non-religious historian who was outside the Judaism, but could understand the Jewish Religious culture, AND HEBREW well enough to write about this Rabbi within a timeframe of about 30 years, starting from the years he was preaching as a rabbi to the time that the Gospels have been dated by Jewish historians about 30 years after his crucifixion. And you won't believe that he ever existed until this document is found.

Did I get that right?

AM So it looks like what your looking for is a document saying he existed at the time he was existing.

This document would have to be written by a non-religious historian who was outside the Judaism, but could understand the Jewish Religious culture

Well, if they witnessed or knew someone who witnessed the acts of Christ, of course they'd be Christian.

Well, if they witnessed or knew someone who witnessed the acts of Christ, of course they'd be Christian.

AM, OK. I guess it's narrowed down some. Just tell me if any or all of these things is correct for what your looking for.

Your wanting:

1. A document written by someone who witnessed within the 3 years of preaching, some event held by Jesus, but they did not think he was important enough to follow, so they didn't become Christian.

2. The witness decides later on that Jesus was so important that they would write about him (if they were even literate), but they were still not become Christian.

3. This witness would have to be so important in the ancient world that there writings would have been cherished and saved until now.

If there was a document found, you all would just say it was fake anyway.

i am partially agostic, but im thinking of creating a jesusian faith. where we don't respect jesus just because of his daddy, but instead respect HIS values, of compassion and kindness for all people, no exceptions. he is just jesus to me, not mr. Christ.

but im thinking of creating a jesusian faith. where we don't respect jesus just because of his daddy, but instead respect HIS values, of compassion and kindness for all people, no exceptions. he is just jesus to me, not mr. Christ.

1. A document written by someone who witnessed within the 3 years of preaching, some event held by Jesus, but they did not think he was important enough to follow, so they didn't become Christian.

2. The witness decides later on that Jesus was so important that they would write about him (if they were even literate), but they were still not become Christian.

3. This witness would have to be so important in the ancient world that there writings would have been cherished and saved until now.