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valkyrie1119
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This is my religion. First of all, you have to worship me. You never see me or hear from me ever, but you have to worship me anyway. You have to make prayers to me everyday and at every meal. You have to be faithful to me or else you will be put in cage with Chuck Norris. If you are faithful by the time you die, I will take you to an island paradise and strand you there for eternity.

This is what Christianity feels like to me. People say that its irrational not to believe or pray to God, yet we never see him or hear from him. If not, people say you will burn in hell. But how do we know that even exists? I could say that you would be put in a cage with Chuck Norris when you die, but you probably wouldn't believe me because I have no proof. Hell is the same, you have no proof of its existence.

As far as Heaven, we have no proof of it either. No one knows what it is like to die period. That's why I don't believe in Christianity or any other religion for that matter.

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TheDude42
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you will go to Hell if you don't believe in the Christian God, and nowhere does it say you will go to heaven if you're Christian. And wasn't Jesus proof enough of God?

Kasic
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And wasn't Jesus proof enough of God?


I'm sorry but accounts of a person called jesus christ claiming to be the son of god and had many supporters could easily have exaggerated anything he did, plus, most accounts of him weren't written until 100 years or so after his death, so... Not really...
valkyrie1119
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And wasn't Jesus proof enough of God?


Prove to me that Jesus was God's son.

Not the bible, but people telling me that I will go to hell if I'm not faithful.
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Religion itself serves its own purpose, but the idea isn't appealing to me. I would prefer having no consequence at the end of my life for stealing some gold ring 70 years earlier. I believe in an afterlife, but it's not Heaven or Hell. God is there, sure, but he isn't related to humans. He is about as related to us as he is everything else in the universe.

Whenever people ask me about Heaven or Hell, I just automatically say that I'm going to Hell. No point in saying otherwise.

valkyrie1119
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And you've yet to answer my original post Val


Okay, well then I will answer it.

I still don't believe in God, and I still don't see how I can accept forgiveness from someone that hasn't even been proven to exist. Also even though you think I committed a sin, to me that was just a simple expression of opinion.
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you will go to Hell if you don't believe in the Christian God, and nowhere does it say you will go to heaven if you're Christian.


Maybe it is not explicitly in the Bible itself, but go ask the Inquisition. They seemed pretty hell bent (Lawls, pun) on making sure everyone was on par with their believes. Not with them? They could make you change your mind, or kill you in the process. In their eyes sending a heathen to hell.
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Maybe it is not explicitly in the Bible itself, but go ask the Inquisition.


I think it's a tad harsh to use the Inquisition as a justification for this interpretation of the Bible. They had a pretty strong vested interest in keeping people in line with the Catholic church's views.

People have used different interpretations of the Bible for centuries as a means to empower themselves or a group they were part of. That doesn't mean that's exactly what Christian doctrine actually dictates.
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People say that its irrational not to believe or pray to God, yet we never see him or hear from him.


You can see God in all the creations he has made and hear him in his word, through the mouths of others, and by answered prayer.

Pretty much, from a Protestant, you are expected to believe Jesus died for you, and that you believe in God.


James 2:
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you will go to Hell if you don't believe in the Christian God, and nowhere does it say you will go to heaven if you're Christian.


John 14:
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
balerion07
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No. It is NT between Hebrews and 1st Peter.

Kasic
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You can see God in all the creations he has made and hear him in his word, through the mouths of others, and by answered prayer


You mean McDonalds, sky scrapers, airplanes, nuclear weapons, computers and all the like? I'm 100% sure god did all of that... -.-
SilentQ
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Kasic, if you want to be technical coming from a creationists point of view, then yes. He is in them. God created man in His image, man created all that other stuff.

But if you want to be realistic, God only created man BASED off him, therefore man isn't completely like God and God is holy (set apart, pure, etc). So God is set apart from man and all of humanity's creations.

valkyrie1119
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You mean McDonalds, sky scrapers, airplanes, nuclear weapons, computers and all the like? I'm 100% sure god did all of that... -.-


Absolutely. Kasic, you're great.

You know what God also created? God created war, destruction, violence, terror, poverty, starvation and more. Is he in those? Does he believe those are some of his masterpieces as well? I wouldn't call starving children and people filled with bullets a masterpiece.

I know the whole world isn't like that, but those things happen all the time in the Middle East.
balerion07
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Ever hear of the fall of man?

*facepalm*

whimsyboy
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No one knows what it is like to die period

Actually, a recent discovery has sparked some thoughts on this.
When you die, you're actually not living! O.o

Anyway, valkyrie, if you made this thread just because your place of argument was locked(my thread) then you are....
I don't know what. Continue.
SilentQ
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well who do you think in vented koolaid


Some guy from Karney, Nebraska.
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