Before you comment on this, keep in mind that: 1. Prepare to read a loooong wall of text. No summaries are availible, and I would consider this post worth reading. 2. Please put some thought into your posts. No one-line responses. 3. In this topic I will not be using facts, but instead philosophy. I'm giving science and statistics a break, for now.
Lately, Ive been seeing a lot of arguments that go like this: Christian: God exists Atheist: Oh yeah? Creationism is the stupidist idea I've heard of. Christian: I believe god made the Big Bang. Atheist: The Big Bang had no cause. YouTube says so. Christian: But I know a story where someone was protected by God! Search it on google! *cue flamewar*
Those kinds of topics usually go on and on, but to no avail. Both sides never give up, and keep arguing. Has anyone actually switched religions after reading those topics? Since I've decided it's useless debating over Gods existence, in this topic I will try to shed light on Christianity from an atheists point of view.
First off, I would like to point out some misconceptions about Christians. We do not all believe in creationism. I agree that creationism is flawed. But you athists take the Bible too literally. The first part of Genesis is basically trying to say that God created everything. Also, not all Christians believe you have to be Christian to go to heaven. I do not, I believe it all depends on having good morals. However, it is harder for atheists to go to heaven because they have no one to ask for forgiveness. Along with that, keep in mind that not every Christian is like GodsHolyKnight. He was more like your typical 15th century Christian, taking every passage in the bible literally.
But is Christianity really that bad? Yes, it has started many a war, but every religion occaisionally goes awry. And while it is easy to find the death toll of a war, it is hard to find how many lives something has saved. Religions have spurred the inspiration behind civilizations, which not only kept people together, but lead to progress and inventions. After all, the Rennesaince (sorry for the bad spelling) was caused in part by a boost in Christian faith. In comparison, wars have only been a small setback. And even if Christianity has had a rough history, keep in mind that 99% of Christians did not support Adolf Hitler or control troops in the Crusades or chop the heads of non-believers, keep in mind that some of the least talked about Christians had the best morals and had a good heart. And those who tried to convert may have killed, but they converted people from more barbaric and less moral-based beliefs. The philosophy and lessons of Jesus are good, and that's what really matters. Admit it, some of your morals are derived from the Bible.
And why do I believe in God, with science stacked up against me? Truth be told, I admit science is on your side. And the universe is made up of science, so in theory God doesn't exist, right? Wrong. God created the universe, thus He is outside of it. So, universal laws do not apply to Him (He is, after all, GOD). And while there is no proof of God, I am somehow still sure He exists. I respect the fact that you are atheist (if you are), but I think you focus too much on science.
Finally, I have seen that most atheists think religious people are gullible. While most people do not think their religion over enough, I have of late. After reading all of the arguments in this forum, I have dug deeper for reasons to believe, and come out an even stronger Catholic. Ironically, some of my worst enimies on this site have helped me the most. However, I have gotten more tense in my arguments, which is why I will be taking a break from this forum.
In conclusion, most of you are too focused on science, and need to learn how Christianity is good, whether you are Christian or not.
Discuss your opinon on my post and Christianity in general.Â
What do you know, I tell people to stay calm for once, avoid links and facts, stop calling each other names, and not get into a flamewar over whether God exists, and they do.
This is why I've stopped posting in the WEPR forum.
What do you know, I tell people to stay calm for once, avoid links and facts, stop calling each other names, and not get into a flamewar over whether God exists, and they do.
We're humans. What do you expect? To play nice? Hell no! We butt heads, we argue, we fight! Let human nature prevail!
there are those with belief in christinity and those with belief in atheisity. but those with atheisity still follow stupid ideas like the big bang. there's no reason why atheists would support it if it wasn't for the creator story going against it. that's why christins will always win that part of the debate.
I believed in God up till the time I was about 8 or 9. I started hearing about the wars. Starving people and Africa and many other problems around the world. If there was a god, in my mind he would fix this and i just cant believe in this stuff anymore
there are those with belief in christinity and those with belief in atheisity. but those with atheisity still follow stupid ideas like the big bang. there's no reason why atheists would support it if it wasn't for the creator story going against it. that's why christins will always win that part of the debate.
Actually if you think about it the big band is alot like genesis and what not.
there are those with belief in christinity and those with belief in atheisity. but those with atheisity still follow stupid ideas like the big bang. there's no reason why atheists would support it if it wasn't for the creator story going against it. that's why christins will always win that part of the debate.
Once more, "atheisity"?????!?!?!?!?
Anyways, I support the big bang NOT becauses it goes against creationism, but because it is cureently the best scientific idea we have as to where the universe came from. No one wins any part of this type of debate because both sides feel like they won...
I'm atheist/buddhist and I don't really care what you believe, but if people shove religion down my throat they will see no end to the torment I will cause them.
I am going to go all out to prove you wrong you stupid ignorant noob.
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You ignorant, idiotic statement is useless here. You waste your time throwing blind remarks, not even thinking someone would be offended by that. You might as well cower in a hole while people shoot back at you. Maybe you will find that being a **** on the internet is the same as being a **** in real life. Don't throw a blind ignorant stupid remark like that or I will troll you until I am banned from AG. Believe me. Do you have any consideration for people's beliefs? Would you say that to your best friend, your wife, your boss, your mother? Of course not, because if anyone in there right mind heard you say that WITHOUT joking they would sock you in the jugular so hard you would have no neck. Seriously, try saying something like that again and see what happens.
Don't EVER say something like that again or you will regret it, I will MAKE you regret it.
/troll
Ok... Thats kinda harsh. And by the way i do say that to my friends, and i still have a neck.
