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TexanProvo
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I know the topic of religion is a hotly debated one, just looking at these boards can easily prove that, but what I would like to talk about is not if it is true or not but how it is used and perverted to fit with certain ideas to justify things.
My main point is the teaching of Jesus Christ, a man believed by many to be the son of God but even if not a man most are fairly sure existed around 2000 years ago in the Middle East and preached a message of peace. His message, from what we have recorded of it (history has a way of shaping things to fit with images), tells us that we should love our neighbor and turn the other check no matter what someone does to us, yet how many religious people do this. He was angered by people profiting off of religion from what I recall (I admit I haven't really read the bible, maybe skimmed a few pages once upon a time), yet today churches, especially mega churches, claim to preach his message while profiting off of millions, something from what I can gather the man himself was against. He lived (again, from what we know of the man through recorded history) a simple life dedicated to helping others and how many "religious" people do so?
This all leads me to my point of, excuse my ramblings, how many people that claim to be religious (Christian for this example) actually follow these ideas? They seem to use the Bible to shout down the opposition, use it to prove them right and to justify evils, something Jesus never would have done. How can a religion that preaches to turn the other check justify going to war and how can the teachings of a simple carpenter's son who lived meagerly in order to help others justify getting rich off people?
What I wish to ask is how many people are actually âChristianâ and how many use it to justify their evils. This isnât really a religious belief thing, but how many people live by this long dead manâs teachings and how many simply claim to in order to justify their twisted desires? Is religion a cause of great evil in our world, or is it simply an excuse, one that people use to control the masses that if lost would be replaced by something else the next day? Are the teachings of Jesus (or any other âprophetâ) worthwhile to our modern society or not, and what examples (besides the Crusades and Inquisition) can people think of of religion, especially Christianity, being used to justify evils?

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zombieslayer
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touche. I'd say that is quite extensive. but aside from my original point. People spend years in seminary, now im in no position or plan to in any way question that. but if they hadnt spent there lives in there religion what could they have done. by the by has the research been done by very religous people?

MageGrayWolf
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Okay what about the Shroud of Turin?


I would hardly call the shroud a miracle.
Reton8
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Well what Im saying is you could go the other way around, If all atheism and atheists were gone and only one religion existed then you would have a world of liked minded people and a much better place to live. So are atheists trying to get rid of religion or fill the world with like minded people because the latter puts religion out of the question.

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Well what Im saying is you could go the other way around, If all atheism and atheists were gone and only one religion existed then you would have a world of liked minded people and a much better place to live. So are atheists trying to get rid of religion or fill the world with like minded people because the latter puts religion out of the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbef07aQtB8
I hope that worked
zombieslayer
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Your very right only one religion would also be ideal. But the it is the nature of people to differ in how they view and practice certain things. So no religion though just as good as just one, is much better than many

314d1
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Well what Im saying is you could go the other way around, If all atheism and atheists were gone and only one religion existed then you would have a world of liked minded people and a much better place to live. So are atheists trying to get rid of religion or fill the world with like minded people because the latter puts religion out of the question.


That whould be true, but then there whould be no doupts. Scientific reasearch whould halt. We whould probably live in crude structures and have to fight off creatures with a club, do to the fact that we whould just say "god causes things to fall. God made the sun revolve around the earth. God made ect"

Witch were all things people once believed. Darwin, Galilao, ect were hated for there idias witch contradicted the idias of the time, witch were brought about by relegion. If they were extreamly religios then we whoulden't know maney important things.... So a world revolving around religion whould not work either.
Reton8
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That whould be true, but then there whould be no doupts. Scientific reasearch whould halt. We whould probably live in crude structures and have to fight off creatures with a club, do to the fact that we whould just say "god causes things to fall. God made the sun revolve around the earth. God made ect"


Yeah, but you can still be religious and doubt whether or not something came from God. Gregory Mendel was and Augustine priest and scientist, he wasnt prosecuted for it. Didnt he advance the science of genetics, which would even help to be a positive for the theory of evolution.
314d1
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Yeah, but you can still be religious and doubt whether or not something came from God. Gregory Mendel was and Augustine priest and scientist, he wasnt prosecuted for it. Didnt he advance the science of genetics, which would even help to be a positive for the theory of evolution


Not if everyone shared the same religion. It has been against the law to doupt anything the church said in maney cultures in the past, and if the world all shared one religion then the church whould control the world, thus the laws of whatever religion it was whould become laws actualy punishable by law, witch whould include doupting god made everything.
Reton8
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Not if everyone shared the same religion. It has been against the law to doupt anything the church said in maney cultures in the past, and if the world all shared one religion then the church whould control the world, thus the laws of whatever religion it was whould become laws actualy punishable by law, witch whould include doupting god made everything.


Yeah but in the scenario world of everyone with one religion no one would doubt that one religion because they're would only be one religion. That world would only exist of people who believed in that one religion or else there would be two religions or two view points and thus the scenario world would not be a world of like minded people. Just like in the scenario world of all Atheists, they would all have to be Atheists and they wouldn't doubt it or else the scenario world of like minded people wouldn't exist.
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I disagree on one religion being just as good as none. Even if there was just one religion you would still more then likely have numerous denominations of that religion. For instance Christianity consists of over 33,000 denominations. It's all Christianity but they have different views on how they believe and interpret the scriptures.

Even if you were to go as far as to have one religion and one denomination of that religion you still have problems like what 314d1 pointed out. Like the stagnation of our advancement of knowledge. We would more then likely be living in a perpetual Dark Ages.

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