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balerion07
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So I came home for the holidays and I find my church has installed cameras to watch the parking lots. In my opinion it is sad that people would be reduced to sealing from a church, but if someone is truly that desperate the church should take pity on them instead of resorting to this.

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Devoidless
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Oh, really? Like the whole turning the other cheek and forgiveness ide which no one follows these days?

Ok.

I'll be there tonight to loot all the valuables. I expect your pity and nothing else in copious amounts come the morning.

balerion07
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I meant as in helping them instead of sicking the authorities on them.

Devoidless
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Assuming that they know who I am. If only they installed some cameras to see wh-
Oh right, you vetoed that idea.

So I'll wait for your help here. Where you do not know where I am. And sell your stuff on eBay.

EnterOrion
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If they're stealing from a church, chances are they don't want the churches help.

Churches are easy targets with a lot of valuables and money. If I was going to risk robbing anywhere, it would be a church. No offense.

Thyll
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So I came home for the holidays and I find my church has installed cameras to watch the parking lots. In my opinion it is sad that people would be reduced to sealing from a church, but if someone is truly that desperate the church should take pity on them instead of resorting to this.

Why is it a church is special? If they steal from a home it's okay?
NoNameC68
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Often many people pity others who are sinners, followed by a sense of being more just, and higher in God's favor.

How often a sin pity truly is.

BigP08
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Seriously, churches steal from everyone, and they don't fell good about some one taking back.

Who do churches steal from? If you mean they ask for donations, that quite different from stealing. They ask for money, and most churches don't require you to pay anything. And if a church really does require you to pay something, and it really bugs you, leave that church. No big deal.
Thyll
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leave that church. No big deal.

Most religions that require you to pay money are technically cults, and cults are very well known for... Not encouraging that type of behavior. Though I would think that's more of an exaggeration on the media's part.
balerion07
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Then I guess you must be one of those people who thinks that the Roman Catholic church is a cult. You pay money to have them pray people out of Purgatory.

I can see Catholic churches as a big target, what with their special ceremonial vessels and the fact that they brag about how much money they can amass, but in my town the churches are mostly small and money is not left around but gets taken care of straight away.

Pau11Wa11
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okay so balerion, you would just let some steal something? well thats a good idea

Devoidless
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Who do churches steal from? If you mean they ask for donations, that quite different from stealing.


If you really want to get down to the nitty-gritty:
Every property any religion has in this country is tax exempt. Everything they buy for the buildings is tax exempt.

Which in some circumstances can be fine, such as if they run a soup kitchen or a storefront that donates all proceeds to local efforts.

Yet that is not often the case.
BigP08
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If you really want to get down to the nitty-gritty:
Every property any religion has in this country is tax exempt. Everything they buy for the buildings is tax exempt.

I still wouldn't call that stealing, though. That's the government's refusal to tax, not the church taking from the government.
Now, if there was a tax in place, which churches refused to pay after gathering together a union or something, then that would be another story.
SilentQ
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I think installing cameras is a good idea. It would stop people from stealing, or at least stop stealing from that specific place. Therefore, it is stopping sin and promoting good. How is that bad?

balerion07
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Proverbs 6:
30Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;
31But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

I see both the good and bad sides. But again as I said I think it is the Roman Catholic church that needs to worry since they are so $$$ oriented. They probably tape you as you fall asleep in your pew.

Snakebite
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They probably tape you as you fall asleep in your pew.


I don't doubt that. They have some of the most expensive stuff in their church buildings.
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