Well I'm probably bringing up a dead topic here, but IDC its 4:09 am and I'm bored. I actually joined the website just to post on this. I was originally pissed off by Aknerd's stupidity in the first post, but later on you redeemed yourself a bit. I've got time so ima comment out every part of this topic.
Why can't people breathe on Pandora? There is obviously ample oxygen, as evidenced by the flamethrowers. The atmosphere can't be poisoned either. All the soldiers use those impractical full face gas masks with the seal around the chin. But many soldiers also appeared to have beards. How do you get a seal through a beard? Everyone who had a beard should have been poisoned.
Although a lot of people have tried to explain this. This is my opinion. They said there was oxygen, enough to run a flamethrower, although
Flamethrowers that use gas have oxygen in the tank so there might not be oxygen.
is also very true. But, like mars, which also has an atmosphere, and minuscule amounts of oxygen, there is simply not enough for the body to be able to process. Also, they address this, although I'm not sure whether purposefully or not, when Jake tries to strike a match after becoming lost, and it sparks but wont light very easily. This would also explain the masks, as they put it on it makes a suction noise, which could possibly seal it a little better, although if the atmosphere is just lacking, then a perfect seal wouldn't be necessary, just enough that all the air didn't escape.
Are we supposed to believe that we have intergalctic travel but not, I don't know, NUKES FROM SPACE??
Yes I realize this was before people explained unobtanium, but nuking something that conducts energy, and acts as a power source seems like a truly terrible idea. That would create an explosion that may actually rend the planet apart, while also creating radiation that would make it hard for humans to keep mining.
why couldn't the humans just tunnel under the tree? We have that ability now, so did we forget or something?
Well, as evidenced by the recent oil spill, we may have the technology, but we are definitely not great with it...lol. But you have to realize that they did not discuss the soil composition, it may be extremely thick. Also, we do have tunneling technology, which works fairly well most of the time with oil, because it has back pressure and takes less power to bring to the surface, but with a solid, and maybe an extremely hard solid, its not going to flow, making this a much slower process then their strip mining. Pressure or geothermal heat may also be a factor, with a mile high tree or whatever above it, theres probably a lot of pressure on the ground below it, the heat could be staggering just below the surface depending on how the infrastructure of the moon is designed.
Speaking of technology, whats with the humans' computers? Why are they still using keyboards and video logs instead of direct mind-computer interaction?
Mind computer interaction is highly uncontrollable now, you have to concentrate all your will just to get a mouse to twitch across the screen to an area around where you want it to go. The simpilest distraction, such as the commander asking about flight patterns would cause you to become distracted and possibly screw something up. Also, multitasking is almost impossible, it seems more feasible to keep it to a physical interaction.
How did Sully even become lost in the first place? Why wouldn't they implant a homing beacon under his skin?
They said their bone structure was naturally occurring carbon fiber, would be hard to implant, and pointless if they approached the tree that disrupts all communications.
Pandora is a moon. This means it orbits a planet as that planet orbits a star. This would mean that sometimes Pandora is close to the star (when it is between the planet and the star) and sometimes it is far away (when the planet is between it and the star). The slight tilt of the earth is responsible for the extreme temperature difference between summer and winter, often over 100 degrees difference at the poles. Can you imagine the difference on temperature between a pandora winter and summer? It would probably be over a thousand degrees difference. How can life evolve in that extreme of condidtions? Especially such advanced life.
Well few things about this, I'm a huge space enthusiast, and advocate for future space travel, and I have to say theres a lot of problems with what you just said, not they you would have any reason to know this. Our moon only changes about 300 degrees Celsius from night to day, and thats with no atmosphere. If Pandora does orbit the planet, which it doesn't have to, i'll explain in a second, then as it orbits, that would be about the significance of night to day if it doesn't rotate, or rotates slowly, and if it does rotate then it would be the equivalence of seasons depending on the rotation, and speed of orbiting. But I'm more ready to believe that Pandora doesn't actually orbit the planet at all. As evidenced by the scene where Jake makes a fire, Pandora is a fair distance from the plant, and the amount of gravity from the planet may be enough to hold it in position without actually causing it to orbit. (Gravity is a weird thing, and is not completely understood by physicists, they know its there, but there not entirely sure why.) Also, lack of gravity also explains many things on Pandora, such as plant height, siz of the animals, and the floating mountains (which I will get to).
The whole toruk thing. It took sully all of two minutes to capture this flying dragon thing. Are you telling me that no one in their entire civilization could think to attack it from above?
I have more, but that's all of that for now.
You saved yourself on this one.
Alt, good point about the turok thing. I would also add (arguing against myself now but whatever) that the na'vi didn't really need to tame turok. Their own min-dragon things worked perfectly well for hunting, and toruk might not have been nimble enough to be effective. Afterall, Sully was able to escape from Toruk by flying into the forest. Toruk is only advantageous during war, which the na'vi didn't seem to have too much of.
On the other hand, it is ridiculous that human charisma would have such a profound effect on an aliens. But in Cameron's world it does, so I can't really argue about it.
It's not that his charisma has all that much affect, its more his lack of I think. Their interested in him because he makes it evident that he isn't the best or the brightest, but hes ready to learn, he doesn't think he knows better then them about everything.
But sometimes the 3D kind of failed. Like when the camera would go soft focus on something in the foreground. This looks good in 2D, but it 3D it is just awkward.
Not sure about that, I saw it in Imax, but in my opinion 3D always looks off.
The foating mountain thing is obviously impossible, but it looks cool and creates a sense of danger that makes the movie more enjoyable.
I actually thought a long time about this. I may have come to a reasonable conclusion. If these mountains hold large amounts of unobtainium, and then something such as a meteor strikes Pandora, transferring the energy into the ground it crashed into, it could cause the unobtanium to store vast amounts of energy that could either create a magnetic field repelling against the natural field of Pandora (if it has one, this is all guesswork so I'm doing the best I can) causing tit to levitate to a certain height depending on the amount of energy stored. Or, the energy could disrupt the atmosphere in a way that causes it to reduce the gravity around it. I'm more of a fan of the first option.
you could have detonated the nuke in the atmosphere, killing the natives with radiation poisoning.
as well as all of your miners
And, no, they were not in an area that blocked communication when sully became lost. He had a walkie talkie in his backpack (which he dropped).
Well he did jump into a waterfall, which transported him closer to the tree, while also possible short-circuiting most things electronic.
At the end of the movie, the Colonel puts his gas mask on while still in the robot suit. Logically, the actions needed to put on the gas mask would have caused the robot to hit itself in the face (the colonel was still wearing the controller hands).
Theres a button the deactivates the suit into a standard position, watch it closely you can clearly see him press it before and after to re-engage.
One of the first lines of the movie was "You're not in Kansas anymore." It was said by the commander guy to the new recruits on pandora. First of all, how cliche. Secondly, this movie is supposed to be set 150 years in the future, by which time the Wizard of Oz will be 200 years old. Are you telling me people will still get this reference?
it will go down in history and most likely be studied as one of the earliest black and white-to color movies released. Also, everyones shows things to their kids, I mean you know what Dantes Inferno/Divine comedy, Beowulf, and similar books are right?
@Aknerd: Harhar, you wasted your money!! Go watch National geographic.
Yes, I am high on this movie, and am probably going to waste my money to watch it a second time, thus not getting anything to eat, but that is just how stupid I am.
Lol, I saw it twice two, liked 2d enough to go see it in Imax.
At the end of the movie, how did the Na'vi win? Its not like the humans are just going to back down. They "won" a battle, not the war. Again: nukes from space. And, as Sully said, they couldn't possibly win a fight outside of that protected area. Which also raises the question, why did the humans attack when the na'vi were hidden? Obviously they could just wait until they starved and had to come out. Or just use NUKES FROM SPACE.
This is called a cliffhanger ending and it opens up the way for this thing called a sequel. Cameron himself said Avatar would be at least a trilogy.
True dat.
And it isn't like the movie gives any useful advice. Plugging my hair into a tree isn't going to stop global warming or save the rainforests.
Seriously, this isn't an effing documentary.
Nor would I have gone to seen it if it was.
And to your 'NUKE' plan...I just want to point out that these weren't the actual marines, they are mercenaries.
Actually they were marines, they just became like mercenaries on Pandora, because there taking orders for the government, but working for the corporation.
It was really fun, especially the fact that I learned that many other people disliked avatar for similar reasons. In fact, no one I know in real life enjoyed this movie. After a while, however, we had to get back conservatism and stuff. Therefore, I posted a similar topic on here in hopes that I could continue the conversation.
Well those people don't sound like any fun at all...not Judging, just saying...lol
7) It has to choose you. Seems you're paying attention to the very minor details that don't really matter and missing the important ones.
Neytiri: "Now you must choose your Ikran. For this, you must feel inside. If he also chooses you, move quick like I showed you. You will have one chance Jake."
Jake: "How will I know if he chooses me?"
Neytiri: "He will try to kill you."
Jake: "Outstanding."
Remember Toruk attacking Jake while he and Neytiri were flying on the Ikran? Toruk chose him.
Damn, you went all out with the quotes there...lol
haha, never really noticed the gas mask flaw in robot suit and the explosions on a poisonous planet.
that explosion rant part reminded me of star wars's explosions in space. :P
Actually, explosions in space, as well as noise can be possible through the release of the oxygen/gases inside the ship.
This only makes sense if there was also (originally) a significant quantity of Unobtanium on Earth. Otherwise, how did they get to Pandora in the first place?
Slow travel using more conventional means. Most likely they sent out a satellite that recognized the planet as possibly habitable, probed it and found there to be life. left on a science mission using slow means of travel taking possibly 50-100 years, not a big deal in chryostasis. (<--- Idk how to spell it...lol) Then once there, they discovered unobtanium, and its weird energy storing, conducting capabilities, and realised they could use it as a power source, sending it back to earth, and allowing more people to come to pandora in about 6 years, possibly cutting off 95% of the original mission.
Avatar... cats meet the Blue Man Group.
What I don't get is that bullet-proof glass doesn't stop arrows and bullets. That fight sence bugged me.
Lol, and it did stop bullets/arrows until they added the extra speed of flying or falling down toward the window.
Why did the humans need unobtainium in the first place? By your logic, the only reason the humans bothered mining unobtainium and building spaceships that ran on it was so that they could (hopefully) find more unobtainium before their own supplies ran out. I realize they were traveling from a dying world without any plant life, but its not like they were colonizing or bringing back plants from pandora.
I believe that they went there to colonize, and bring back plants from Pandora before the corporation moved in when they discovered unobtanium. Which would explain why the science sector, and the business sector are so at odds with each other.
Additionally, if unobtainium wasessential to human survival, then wouldn't they be justified in their assault of Pandora? In this case, the na'vi would actually be denying the humans something they desperatly needed. Its not like they were using unobtainium or had any plans to.
Exactly, but Jake kind of screwed up with that one video when he was frustrated saying that they would never move before actually telling them what he was there for. Also the colonel was so ready for war that he would say and do just about anything to initiate it.
I haven't seen it yet. But I really don't think I want too.
Rent it or something, its definitely worth seeing.
Maybe they used another energy source that was weaker or something.
Use you're imagination and stop adressing issues that are easily right there in front of you.
Exactly
Not mentioning the Lord of the Rings plot, there completely uncomparable.
[/quote]Unobtanium isn't a complex backstory to explain. It would have taken 5 mins to do. They should have done it, end of.
The movie was long enough as is, and tossing in a part about unobtanium may have just not fit into to the plot very well, it would be hard to initialize, I guess a flashback or something. Originally there was a part about earth being a dying world, but it just made it entirely to long, they filmed it so I'm still hoping for an extended edition.
[quote]Personally, I think the story's just a rehashing of a thousand other movies, but with smurfs. And the whole "unobtainium" thing is retarded.
Your retarded...
When the human leader took an arrow, his blood was red. Blood becomes red when oxygenated, otherwise its blue. Since the blood was red, it either was already carrying oxygen away from the heart or is oxygenated by the air. Though poisoned air would have worked.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Bloods not blue...lol...it looks blue through the skin as it causes a weird translucent effect. But I can see you realized your mistake, so I wont make fun of you anymore...lol
Just because veins are blue (green in my case) doesn't mean that the blood is the same color...
Arteries are what usually travels along the surface of the skin and appear blue, but whatever.
i had one huge rant on how wrong that was but had a spontaneous internet failure.... ugh.
Yeah hoping I don't lose this now I'd be pissed, been writing for bout 2 hours.
Well hope I cleared some things up. I tried at least, and I hope someone actually still views this page cause I put a lot of work into that...lol
This was my first post, so I hope I did the quotations right.
