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2014631
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Do you think this man is a crazy cold blodded killer, or a peaceful leader?


I think he is a crazy, cold blooded killer. He publically announced that on February 12th, 2010, he would punish us for our global arrogance. This makes me a little worried. He doesn't usually lie about those kind of things

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Bloodscum
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Iran hasn't acted against Iran yet..


stupid mistake on my part... I meant Iran hasn't acted against Israel
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Israel IS Palestine. Get used to it.

Armed_Blade
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Israel IS Palestine. Get used to it.

No it isn't.
Palestinian demographics (during peace) lingered from 80%-50% Palestinians with the rest being Jews.
Israeli Demographics see about 20% Palestinians (ethnic cleansing, anyone?)
Nearly all of Israels building and military commerce is American USD (which is Chinese cash)
Israel is a gigantic center of conservative motives that are beneficial exclusively to one type of its many people living there.
A country with exclusive respect for its inhabitants that believes hardboiled, warlike ideals that have absolutely nothing to do to better the countries existence as a whole is NOT Palestine.
Get used to it.
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Well, it is. My dad gets emails from National Terror Alert, saying that the terrorists were planning something big on February 11th. Coinsidince? I don't think so.


National Terror Alert? Dude there's loads of BS on the internet like Jihad Watch and Islamwatch, the majority of them are built by people of other religion. Even their main articles provide literally little or no history upon Islam or Middle Eastern politics -- they're made to pretty much scare you and say the craziest and untruest stuff about Islam.

If you want to quit being a scared baby listening to the National Terror Alert [thats probably done so much for mankind] go to Cnn.com or something and get something legit and government sponsored ffs.

He's resisting American influence. Something more politicians should do

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He's a peaceful leader

. . . who wants to destroy Israel. So peaceful.

If I recall correctly wasn't it America that voluntarily joined to crush Germany and ended up destroying a crapload of Europe in their quest of glorious honor?

Why is it that when Iran tries to support Israel on a cause they believe violates their [or people they care about] way of life because of suppressive acts that HAVE been discussed (yet, due to influence, never accepted) as breaking human rights violations.
They are instantly cold-blooded chimpanzees? Open your eyes and look at the world Globally, not from some biased American viewpoint with little or no information to back it up in the first place.
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Hey... Israel wants to destroy Palestine... don't forget that.


That doesn't make the destruction of Israel peaceful. I don't see your point.

My point is that almost every nation has at one point wanted to destroy another country. That is normal, a sad but true fact. However, a country that doesn't act on this desire is still peaceful. Iran hasn't acted against Iran yet... in fact it is Israel which is actually running war-training programs against Iran.


So? That still doesn't make him a peaceful leader.
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So no one is going to mention the Green revolution in Iran when discussing Ahmadinajhad?

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If I recall correctly wasn't it America that voluntarily joined to crush Germany and ended up destroying a crapload of Europe in their quest of glorious honor?


HOW DOES THAT MAKE AHMADINEJAD A PEACEFUL LEADER?

They are instantly cold-blooded chimpanzees? Open your eyes and look at the world Globally, not from some biased American viewpoint with little or no information to back it up in the first place.


My god, will I always have to deal with misguided extrapolation whenever I say a simple thing? Seriously, me saying that Ahmadinejad isn't a peaceful leader doesn't make me an ignorant American with no support. It doesn't make Iran full of cold-blooded chimpanzees. It just means that Ahmadinejad isn't a peaceful leader. Which he isn't, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DESTROY ISRAEL.

Really, the actions of the US, or Israel doesn't reflect on the peacefulness of Ahmadinejad. He has stated that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map - that means that he is not a peaceful leader. I have said nothing more, I have said nothing less.
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So no one is going to mention the Green revolution in Iran when discussing Ahmadinajhad?

Maybe I missed the main post... but I didn't really see much to discuss about.
He gave people tools and stuff to farm, partytime. Him and his 'evilness omg kill all' status OP gave us has nothing much to do to with it.
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If I recall correctly wasn't it America that voluntarily joined to crush Germany and ended up destroying a crapload of Europe in their quest of glorious honor?

HOW DOES THAT MAKE AHMADINEJAD A PEACEFUL LEADER?


Was America peaceful at the time? They went to war, but you know what -- I think they were peaceful. A ton.
When your entire Islamic population, which, by the west, is stereotypically considered an acted on upon an ethnicity (Rarely do you hear 'The Iranians did this' .. You hear 'The Muslims did this'.

Iran has gigantic ties to the Palestinian population, not as much as closer states but its government backs those states as well.

Israel is nuclearly armed, filled with American based weaponry, 7 Million dollars of American funding a day [Go American Tax dollars! We have no money but we fund the jews!]

He, along with most of his nation, feels that the people that owned Palestine should rightfully own it again. The first feeling was that it could be shared, etc. Even the more conservative presidents before Ahmedinejad accepted the Zionist movement. Its when they started clashing that there were issues, and now when Britain and France -- countries that GAVE them independence are against them unlawfully building on the houses of others they say HELL NO.

So whats the final result? Iran feels that Israel should not be on the map due to their unrighteous policy, the Israeli Jews are far beyond the term peace -- so asking for peace in the region by telling the world population that there is a serious issue is VERY Peaceful.

If you want me to add more, its a bit simpler in a nuclear effect.
Israel = Nukes, they haven't signed one freaking contract but because the Jews in America control our government and have made them buttbuddies with Israel, they get them. They are conservative monsters, and they kill what they want because 'God' let them to. Isn't that nice to hear, Mosestencommandmentsandstuff?
Iran = No nukes. When they do or do not go lawfully for Nuclear energy the entire world chomps on them. Why? They're Muslim.

He fights for his peaceful, he's done nothing wrong, he's said what he believes and he doesn't take BS. Leaders like that have always done well in their country.
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Armed Blade, interesting reply but his still a major opponent of democracy in Iran.

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He fights


. . . therefore he is not peaceful.

Seriously, you're overcomplicating things. All I'm saying is that he is not a peaceful person because he wishes to wipe a nation off the map - no matter what the reason, violence is violence. I was simply disputing a statement made earlier - I am not arguing against how he rules, or his motivations, I was simply saying that he isn't a peaceful ruler because he wants to attack another nation. I'm being pretty basic here - I don't care about what America, or Iran, or Israel have done in the context of this discussion - I was simply refuting a statement made earlier that he was a peaceful ruler, which he is not because he wishes to go to war. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to explain such a basic thing to you for you to understand it.

Ahmadinejad = not peaceful. Why? Because he wishes to go to war with another country. Simple. I don't care if he wants to go to war to create peace, he is not a peaceful ruler because he wishes to go to war. I said this to refute an incorrect statement made earlier. You're taking what I said out of context. and it's annoying that you seem to be unable tp pick up on that.
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He fights

. . . therefore he is not peaceful.


Your definition of Peace is hardly close to naive.
If someone stabbed you in the back for a horrid reason you would feel the need to fight back in a just manner. Taking a country leaves no room for legal option.
I'm sorry if you were making one of those short comments just trying to fix something, but I'm trying to ask you to pick up on the fact that peace is not all about hugs and loving.

I didn't know you felt it was overcomplicated, in my opinion your opinion on the word peaceful meant sometihng totally different. If your definition stands at the fact that he chooses not to do anything harmful to any living thing of this world under all circumstances even if his mother is stabbed in the back [Not to say she was]...

Then by all means, He is not a peaceful man.
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Armed Blade, interesting reply but his still a major opponent of democracy in Iran.


I can easily understand that, I'm no lover of him. I don't find him to be a good president to the best point but I'm saying he stands up for something that Iranians do go with. He's not out of whack, but he's a hardboiled conservative leader like the rest. Not something any democracy would want -- His ideal issue is not his policies or statements but the way he interacts with the foreign world and lets acts of terrorism go through (Not that he really has any control over it?)

He was considered a fake election scandal whatever -- But by whatever means he obtained the seat I see no where near in his future to be nuking anybody, and at least -- at least, when a weaker president is to come around and take the seat of being the president of Iran that man will have some defense behind his back. I fear the day a Nuke will drop on anywhere in the world, but I will be very angry if it lands on Iran. Its not a country bred out of hate, it had long years of prosperity that much of western journalism has blotched out. The modern eras of the world have left it in distress, and it pains me to think that its possible Nuclear Missiles can disrupt Iran's future and they can do nothing back only because the future they're working at now to protect Iran is bleak due to Israeli/American politics.

If I were a voter, I wouldn't vote for Ahmedinejad -- but if it was him over allowing some American-sponsored nutjob that will make us suck off the world community share whatever junk, then I'd go for someone that holds nationalistic values in a non-aggressive stance.

As big as he talks I'm sure he's not going to war with anyone, and the only military acts we've seen from Iran is building a Nuke -- and that is sadly something that we are only able to guess at at the moment.

Under all the circumstances, He's not an out of whack nutjob ready to bomb America. I feel he's too headstrong of a leader, but at least he's the first to work towards Iran's economic prosperity and I'm sure if a fair election happens a better man following some of those ideals [Such as your great Green Revolution idea] will pick up on those to make Iran a better country within itself and outside to the Global Community.
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I'm sorry if you were making one of those short comments just trying to fix something, but I'm trying to ask you to pick up on the fact that peace is not all about hugs and loving.


War by definition is not peaceful. Therefore, he is not peaceful because he wants to go to war. Hell, I know I would fight someone if I was attacked. Most people would. What you're fighting for doesn't matter - war is not peace. It was a simple refutation.

I didn't know you felt it was overcomplicated, in my opinion your opinion on the word peaceful meant sometihng totally different. If your definition stands at the fact that he chooses not to do anything harmful to any living thing of this world under all circumstances even if his mother is stabbed in the back [Not to say she was]...


No, my definition of peace states that he is not a peaceful man because he wants to go to war. It's simple.

Ahmadinejad is not peaceful because he wishes to go to war. War is not peace.

Really, I'm not sure you're even reading what I'm saying or if you understand the context of the remark I made originally. Bloodscum said he was a peaceful ruler - I said he wasn't, because he wants to go to war against Israel. Any person who wants to go to war is not peaceful because that person wants war, which is the antithesis of peace. Really, I'm not using a twisted definition of peace, I'm saying that he is not a peaceful ruler because he wants to go to war, even if his goal is peace. War is not peace. I'm not reflecting positively or negatively on him as a person or a leader - I was only refuting a statement that he was peaceful by citing that he wishes to wage war on Israel.
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It IS twisted.
If someones doing everything peaceful, but, at one point, has to wage a war for his country [whether forced into it or not] should not be shoved into the non-peaceful category.
Though, overall, I'd probably pick him more neutral than peaceful, but by no means call him violent. His remarks are, but he himself has done nothing to prove it. I sort of like his hard headed approach to western foreign politics.

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His remarks are, but he himself has done nothing to prove it.


As does almost every modern world ruler.

it had long years of prosperity that much of western journalism has blotched out.


against them unlawfully building on the houses of others they say HELL NO.


What building on the houses of others?
note: They are the only ones that boycoted the 1980 olimpics in moscow and the 1984 olimpics in the US.

There is always a lot of noise from the media when someone gets weapons of mass destruction.

"Iran is not known to possess weapons of mass destruction"
"Israel is widely believed to possess weapons of mass destruction"

Hey... Israel wants to destroy Palestine... don't forget that


It also wants to make a palestinian state. It is a un-finished debate that has been in Israel for a long time.
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It also wants to make a palestinian state. It is a un-finished debate that has been in Israel for a long time.


Israel wants the creation of a Palestinian state? Haha, they practically stole their state and their driving them off their land!
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