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Cenere
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On this site.
Yet another tl;dr OPs from me.

These forums are usually mentioned as one of the better among forums. We have good users, a small groups of mods and admins and a staff team that makes new games. Most spam is concentrated in the game comments, most flaming is concentrated in the profile comments and so on. Generally a good place to be IMO.
Therefore it saddens me when users feel the need to act up. Not speaking as a mod here.

A newbie makes a thread that has been made before, and possibly is still on the first page. Maybe it even is in the wrong section. The most common replies would be "this is in the wrong section", "this has been made before", "learn to read, this is a duplicate". If things goes wild enough, there will be a number of users making fun of the OP, and another number that posts "this should be locked" and "why isn't this locked yet?".
This happens once in a while, and more often than not, it is the veteran users that does the mocking. Even making fun of grammar and spelling, if they see the chance.
Those situations make me feel a slight dislike to the way some users feel worth more than others, and see no better action than try and scare off the newbies with their mean comments (often made for the lulz, apparently, though I see no lulz in "I counted 12 spelling errors in that! No wonder I can't understand you!!&quot.
It saddens me a bit that the role models of this forum does that, instead of simply explain the errors of the OP to the newbie. It might be hard work, but it most likely will pay off in the end.

http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/t/e/tealdeerplz.png Users with more experience and more time on AG likes playing with the newbies when they should be role models.

Same goes with stuff like the "/thread" or "this should be locked". There is hardly ever seen a report of those threads to the mods, and if a mod finds it themselves, they will facepalm at the amount of spam, where of half of it is "lock plz". If it is such an important thing that you have to express it in the thread, but you don't report it, then at least don't post in the darn thread. It is more often than not spam, because it hardly takes 7 words to say "This should be locked", "lock plz" "/thread" and other variants. Congratulations, you have just proven yourself to be as bad as what you want to get locked.
On the same note, people posting in threads that should be locked or even deleted, just to express their horror in what has been posted, along with users that rallies the horror on by telling the OP off... It doesn't seem like the healthiest of internet behaviours.

http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/t/e/tealdeerplz.png "Lockplz" is also spam, and not justified at any time.

This one will be the modly annoyance.
There is this thread in the suggestion section that kindly asks for people not to delete flames and spam on their profiles, because then we can't do anything about it. It takes the lock business up too, but more importantly, it asks for some common sense when you report issues. It is rather hard to do anything about someone, if you just make a report saying "This user spammed, do something." especially when we can find no spam. A little link to a thread where it has happened, or at least an explanation on why you think they spam would be nice.
Same goes with accusations on wrong doing from a mods side. We are here to take care of the site, so when someone says we are abusing our power, it would be nice to know why you think so. Why you think we take some liberties, and why you have to express this in public, especially in a thread unrelated to your issue.
After all, this is not politics. You can't just say something and then take it back without giving reason. It goes with the entire forum.
If you say something you didn't mean, then apologize and explain yourself. If you find out later on that you said something untrue, apologize and explain yourself. Simply avoiding the issue will make people look down on your and see you as an arrogant person.
And if you think you are in your right to say such things, then at least do something about it, instead of simply standing on your right to have an opinion.
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/t/e/tealdeerplz.png Problems are best solved if you do something.

A last, more important thing: I know this is the internet, and that people could care less how they behave, because obviously, who cares. But it is quite important to behave in a forum like this, otherwise you can ruin the fun of others. This well behaving can be not spamming, not flaming and generally be helpful and openminded. But it also has to be respect towards others. Accusations and spreading lies because of bitter experience won't get you anywhere. Rather, showing respect will lead to respect being shown to you, especially a place like the internet. We don't get to know each other very well a place like this, and stuff is easily forgotten of you let it rest, but a good experience might get people to remember you (just as much as they will loathe you if you do nothing but scream and yell).
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/t/e/tealdeerplz.png Respect and good behaviour will get you longer than screaming and yelling.

Superlong OP short: Good behaviour on the internet is important, especially since much of the common person's social life not rests on online interaction.

http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/t/e/tealdeerplz.png is copyrighted to the creator of the deviantart plz acount TealDeerplz.

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FireflyIV
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I agree with you on the whole being courteous to new users thing, and giving them some leway with regards to repeat threads, and directing them to the right forum, but doesn't your idea on rudeness seem to contradict this rule from the WEPR guide to success?:

Read what you're about to post thanks to Megamickel
Make sure you don't sound like an idiot before you post. If you say something stupid, you're bound to be attacked for it. The very nature of this forum says that opponents will look for any flaws in your argument, and if your post makes you sound like an ignorant buffoon, then you'll pay for it.


I'm not saying it's a good thing people go around being direct with people, but surely, as Megamickel said, it's to be expected on a forum, and since it's not against the rules, well, I don't really see how that's going to change.
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I have trouble conveying tone sometimes. I will occasionally post on a thread with a newb op and what I type can be read in different ways. Like I'm trying to joke around, but the newb can read it as me flaming him/her, so I usually don't post and that is the best advice I can give. Don't post on a thread that will be locked.

Cenere
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I'm not saying it's a good thing people go around being direct with people, but surely, as Megamickel said, it's to be expected on a forum, and since it's not against the rules, well, I don't really see how that's going to change.

Well, there is a difference between: "You should try and read your posts before you submit it, because it is darn hard to understand what you are saying!" and "Lol, fail thread is fail. Stop making stupid threads and learn how to write!"
There is no problem in being direct, it is the way you are direct in.

@Bronze: Well, it is the internet. Tone, mood and body language will not be converted well to the internet, and because of the lack of actual physical contact, it is easier to twist a post into what you think it would be instead of what it should be. Thus a lot of people use :P or /sarcasm or lol to show their mood.

Don't post on a thread that will be locked.

Agreed. And don't post in a thread that could die on itself, because then it will.
FireflyIV
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Well, there is a difference between: "You should try and read your posts before you submit it, because it is darn hard to understand what you are saying!" and "Lol, fail thread is fail. Stop making stupid threads and learn how to write!"
There is no problem in being direct, it is the way you are direct in.


I should also add that directness is subjective. One user may be far more offended than another by a direct response to a stupid post they made. That doesn't mean the person being direct was in the wrong. It means the person who made the post should grow a pair. I mean, it's only the internet after all.
Cenere
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I should also add that directness is subjective. One user may be far more offended than another by a direct response to a stupid post they made. That doesn't mean the person being direct was in the wrong. It means the person who made the post should grow a pair. I mean, it's only the internet after all.

Which takes me to the next point: People need to be more tolerant. The internet degrades our tolerance quite a bit, so sadly it seems to be okay to tell people to screw themselves even though all they have done is make a spam post. I fully agree with the growing a pair, really, because I have seen people complain about stuff they should just learn to cope with.
FireflyIV
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People need to be more tolerant. The internet degrades our tolerance quite a bit, so sadly it seems to be okay to tell people to screw themselves even though all they have done is make a spam post.


True enough. I mean, there is a little red flag. Use it and move on.

I fully agree with the growing a pair, really, because I have seen people complain about stuff they should just learn to cope with.


I do like the forums on AG a lot, because everyone is so polite, at least much more so than other sites I'm on, but at times it goes too far. People tolerate absolute codswallop, when really someone needs to say ''hang on a sec''. I can't count the number of times I've seen rascist, and downright offensive remarks just fly by without anyone actually calling them out on it, due to some sense of political correcntess/politeness.

That said, the politness present on the site probably has more positives than negatives. Still, I'd personally like to see more autonomy given to regular users when dealing with bigots. Too often people are afraid to say what needs to be said.
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[quote]I sometimes mock, but I stay on topic also. Is that that bad? It seems the people with high-posts mock a lot.

It is actually bad. Newbies don't know better, a bit like the fanatic Christian kids that come with some less than smart comments that hurt both their cause and the image of Christianity. I know many likes to bring them down for the sake of it..... [/quote]

Aww fine. This is a good thread, if people read it.

And the deer are really boring, you should have used those fire dudes but flipped them around.
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