Church and state are supposed to be seperate, but maney people have been using riligion as a political tool. For example, I saw an anti-abortion thing were a woman said "This is a Christian nation Mr. President!". It may also happen on a smaller scale that you may not even know, some small riligios value that effects your voting. Also, a few mounths ago an aithiest was bieng sewed and such for bieng an aithiest... And in another recent thread (Misscariage the ultimate crime?) Morman values got in the way of logical voting. So, in conclushion, are church and state truely seperate?
I've spent the whole day looking for the answer to one question and I can't locate it on the web: When did the American colonies begin placing their right hand on the Bible and their left hand over their hearts as a requirement before giving testimony before judge & jury?
That's ok, because I've dug up lots of other goodies for us to discuss.
Church and state are supposed to be seperate, but maney people have been using riligion as a political tool.
You're right, because the colonial churches were all escaping religious persecution.Religious Persecution
None of them wanted to recieve government support because no one wanted one "dominant" government sanctioned religion. separation of church and state [quote][i]There is just "under oath" as in if you lie to the court, you are held in contempt of court. I don't think using the Bible to act as a tool of malevolence works anymore. The court needs a system that can apply to all A Bible and A Koran?
Last year I served on a jury and the Judge told us that the method of "swearing in" would use the Bible. I'm sure that if you clearly state on the forms, (these forms are completed as part of the beginning process), your religious/anti-religious views that you will either be accommodated by saying a differently worded "Oath" with or, without a Bible, (or, Koran, Torah,etc.), or be excused from jury duty.
It's been a long day but I've really learned a lot about how far our judicial and legislative branches of government have evolved. We don't have a perfect system but we don't live in a perfect world. I still thank my heavenly Father that I'm an American who lives in the US, I'm free, I can protect myself and english is still the language we speak. Oh, and because we are free to speak our minds, we can have these forums without fear of religious persecution.
Oooh, I don't feel good about this one... Is the Red Scare still working its magic?
China is officially Atheist. The USSR was atheist. Hell! Stalin built "Museums of Atheism" and created the League of the Godless peoples. Vietnam and Laos might be atheist, I'm not sure though on that one though..
Another sore spot with me. Many Americans hate communism without even knowing what it is. Just wanted to toss that in the pot.
You hit spot. People are often ignorant in the very thing they supposedly hate.
Frank & Mage, and others who want the government to get "GOD" out of the Pledge of Allegiance,etc. I include this law suit recent court ruling on removing GOD's name.
Interesting part of that.
While the First Amendment affords atheists complete freedom to disbelieve, it does not compel the federal judiciary to redact religious references in every area of public life in order to suit atheistic sensibilities.
Not asking for every area of public life just the government run parts. The examples put forth in that this is a religious nation are laughable at best. How can we ever have freedom from religion as this states we have the right to, if the very government we live under injects that religion into our lives?
How can we ever have freedom from religion as this states we have the right to, if the very government we live under injects that religion into our lives?
How does any federal standing in our government promote religion in any way? That first amendment that we like to use prevents religion from being a part of law and prevents religion from being forcibly taken away. We have the freedom to deny any part of religion and the freedom to have religion, just not adding religion to any rules/regulations. An example being the Pledge of Allegiance. Does the government force you to say the famous line? No; you don't have to. Most teens don't even recite at all, let alone care about what their reciting!
Our US government doesn't "inject" religion into our lives; at best, it encourages us to live it without limiting others in the process.
Our US government doesn't "inject" religion into our lives; at best, it encourages us to live it without limiting others in the process.
Perhaps I did use a bit to strong of a word there. However I still stand by the basic thought. What I was trying to get at is there are aspects of religion in the government that simply don't belong. This includes laws that are influenced by religion and not just on the voters end.
