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LazyOne
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I was just wondering (in fact, for a long time)
What would happen if a person would grow up, without getting pushed to "believ" in something
And by that, i mean nothing, as in, growing up in the wilderniss, with noone around you.

That.
But without the danger of dieing in the very first day of your life.

The question is just:
If there was noone / nothing to control the minds/way of thinking of a child, would it believe?
And if yes, in what?

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MageGrayWolf
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I mean, is that not how religion began on day 1? We all just worship a different form of the Sun God.


Yes this is just another example of a natural event being anthropomorphized.

My parents believe in god, just couldn't care a less about any of the religion stuff.


Your parents believing there is one could still be an influence on you even if it wasn't pushed on you.
skater_kid_who_pwns
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From what Ican tell, he would come up with his own belives on how the world got there. That is how tribes and things did it. ONe person thought it up, and every one belived it beacuse they had nothing better to belive, and grew up learning it.

But while your saying he has no education, that wouldn't stop him form making something would it? Well, what I'm trying to sya here, (basically pointed at you mage) Is that, just beacuse you have an "education" of a bunch of scientific theroys, that in the end can't really 100% be proven either way, dosn't make you smart. It just shows you trust in stuff written in a book. If you went to school 100 years ago, and where taught that christianity (or jewdisum or whatever) was correct, you would belive it. That is how todays society works. If you learn religion, beofre science you stick to it, same with the reverse.

But would he really be able to think? I'm not entirely sure how that would work if he has no laungage to think in. I can't really think without words going through my head. so....I'm not really sure.

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But while your saying he has no education, that wouldn't stop him form making something would it? Well, what I'm trying to sya here, (basically pointed at you mage) Is that, just beacuse you have an "education" of a bunch of scientific theroys, that in the end can't really 100% be proven either way, dosn't make you smart. It just shows you trust in stuff written in a book.


Well, like I always say, intelligence is different from knowledge. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you're not smart. It just means you didn't have a means of learning about the specific subject. Also, stuff is written in a book because it is right. So all that stuff in Biology related to Evolution is right, on the basis of the concepts of it, what it's about, and how it came to be.

If you went to school 100 years ago, and where taught that christianity (or jewdisum or whatever) was correct, you would belive it. That is how todays society works. If you learn religion, beofre science you stick to it, same with the reverse.


Well there's the fact that this was taught in school back then but there were still Atheists. Just not as many, since there wasn't enough facts and evidence to back up this never-ending controversy. I think all of us has learned a religion before learning about scientific views of existence, since it's easier to understand. It's rather if you have an open mind to be up for other interpretations that you would stick to other ways. I was into Christianity when I was at an early age, then became an Atheist when I was 13. So I'm saying, it doesn't necessarily stick with you, same as if you like a job before another, you'll stick with the former. Not true.
LazyOne
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Mhm yes, I don't think these humans would mind beliefs either.
But i agree with magewolf too,
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lol, at first, what i said ^ doesn't make sense, but think about it, and it will.

And yes, it is the fault of society, as in teaching about catholicism etc at schools...

MageGrayWolf
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But while your saying he has no education, that wouldn't stop him form making something would it? Well, what I'm trying to sya here, (basically pointed at you mage) Is that, just beacuse you have an "education" of a bunch of scientific theroys, that in the end can't really 100% be proven either way, dosn't make you smart. It just shows you trust in stuff written in a book.


A scientific theory is based on something that is provable. It's not just that it's written in some book, there is actually something backing those claims.

Well, like I always say, intelligence is different from knowledge. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you're not smart. It just means you didn't have a means of learning about the specific subject.


Your right, this is the difference between ignorance and stupidity.
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I read a study awhile back which unfortunately, I cannot link to because you need to be privvy to access to a university website, but I'll try my best to fill in the details:

Youn children between the ages of 4-7 were shown a hand puppet show at the end of which the character dies. They were then aksed certain questions about the character. Most of them were associated with physical functions ie., 'can John do this or that' to which the children replied 'of course not, he's dead'. But when asked whether or not John could still feel emotionally, they were all adamant he could. Basically what the study purportedly showed was that even at an age young enough before indoctrination into any belief system, it seems that we humans have an instinct to believe in the metaphysical. In this case, that hand puppets have souls. But you can see how this could easily extend into observing the power of nature and associating it with a metaphysical being.

redace333
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But you can see how this could easily extend into observing the power of nature and associating it with a metaphysical being.



Very interesting.

Ok, what about this?

The person in the wilderness, no one else, But! He has access to thousands of books. What would happen then?
scruffyninja
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nothing cos no-ne would have taught them to read. Its a learned behaviour.

Freakenstein
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The person in the wilderness, no one else, But! He has access to thousands of books. What would happen then?


Assuming he could read, he could gain lots of knowledge. However, there would come a point where there would be books that would conflict with another (Political books stating different sides of the spectrum) that he wouldn't necessarily be able to differentiate true from false. Of course in this case, there would be no right or wrong answer, but when faced with two books that interfere with each other, he wouldn't know which one was factual.
redace333
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nothing cos no-ne would have taught them to read. Its a learned behaviour.


Assuming he could read.

but when faced with two books that interfere with each other, he wouldn't know which one was factual.


So i wonder if he would just chose to believe one over the other? I doubt he would take long to decide for himself which one he thinks is right.

Maybe he would just believe the first book he read? or what ever is best for him?
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Maybe he would just believe the first book he read? or what ever is best for him?


I think he would just pick to believe in the book that he thought was right in his levels. By that I mean if their was one book about adults and how they mate and another book about how kids like to play and whatever the kid would pick the 2nd one because it relates to him and what he does. He would just pick the book that relates to him the most.
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