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shadowfyre541
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How ever did communism survive the onslaught of globalisation and democratic beliefs in the 21th century? How can communism still exist after events like the Iron Curtain and the Cultural Revolution? I am not a capitalist, all I want to ask is how society seems so unaffected by these tragic, and sometimes even violent events. Please, share your opinions on this matter, it is much appreciated.

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Moe
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As far as I can tell communism has survived in two ways. The first being fake communism, people who think the USSR and other such "communist" countries were great. These people are uniformed/believe the propaganda. The other form being that people realized that communism is in fact a great idea, on paper. They fail to realize that it can never work with humans.
That is my experience with communism.

IcyGryphon
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I'm going to take a stab at this.
Communism has survived because there are two super powers in the world that are communist: China and Russia. There is also North Korea (not a super power). Ever since WW2 after communism was contained to just a small number of countries, no one has tried to exterminate those communist nations. Another reason, I believe, is that in those communist-residing nations no one wants to start a rebellion because they fear the consequences to badly. Communist dictators are very cruel and hold all the power and wealth of a country. (Oh! How did I forget Cuba.) Revolters' punishment would be severe.
I feel like I just got done writing an essay. But there's my answer.

shadowfyre541
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[Communism has survived because there are two super powers in the world that are communist: China and Russia. There is also North Korea..] And yet China and Russia are increasingly formidable sectors of the global economy, especially after the 2008 Beijing Olympics and the upcoming 2014 Sochi Olympics. Is it really not possible to make utopian communism a reality?

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Is it really not possible to make utopian communism a reality?

With resources as limited as most communist nations have, not in my opinion. An even distribution is only available in an immense surplus, and even then that surplus should be stockpiled instead of distributed.
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Your strongly mistaken on your definition of communism. Communism does not define the political entities of the USSR, China, etc. It is a political and economic theory advocating the worker ownership over the means of production in a classless and STATELESS society. Therefore, saying the USSR or China is communist is not even accurate.

How has it survived? What was it under attack from in the first place? The "communist" powers do not at all reflect on communism as an ideology.

The movement is growing if anything


Ever since WW2 after communism was contained to just a small number of countries, no one has tried to exterminate those communist nations.


That's not true. If anything, communism spread after WW2 with more and more countries going under Soviet influence.

And yes, the United States has tried very much to "exterminate" any country that went against US interests.
EnterOrion
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Russia


Russia isn't communist. >.>

Remember, 1991?

China


Pseudo-communist at best. They can be more classified as totalitarians.

Communism is a failed ideology too reliant on the belief that humans can cooperate. Capitalism exploits humanities failures, therefore allowing it to thrive. At least within capitalism people have a chance.

If everyone is equal, everyone equals zero. Your life = nothing.
Drace
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Communism is a failed ideology too reliant on the belief that humans can cooperate. Capitalism exploits humanities failures, therefore allowing it to thrive. At least within capitalism people have a chance.

If everyone is equal, everyone equals zero. Your life = nothing.


Lol. YOUR life = nothing.
pHacon
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Lol. YOUR life = nothing.

Oh, I'm sorry mister, you just weren't equal enough, so we have to kill you now.
shadowfyre541
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According to Marxism and Leninism, which pretty much all communist countries follow to a certain extent, capitalism exploits the working class and the greed of the general public. This ideology is neither correct nor incorrect, but by the way it is enforced through propaganda and military brutality is just plain BRAINWASHING.

IcyGryphon
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Obviously communism isn't a failed ideology, or it wouldn't be here today. Now populism, that failed. And who says if everyone is equal it equals out to zero?

shadowfyre541
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In a supposed communist society, everyone is still not equal. They may have EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, but some naturally rise above others to lead. And also, in the past, you only had these opportunities if you were accepted into the Communist Party, If you weren't, you were not counted as a &quoterson" recognized by the government.

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Communism has survived because the ideology of it is flawless. However, like many other things in life, the way the idea was acted upon was far from flawless. Yes, everyone would like to be equal. But will they? Like shadow has already stated, no they wont. And you can't stop that. The biggest flaw is of course human flaw. Greed, corruption. No one can stop that. There will always be one corrupt person. And that one person can convince others to become corrupt as well. It is inevitable.

Drace
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Communism is not about "everyone being equal"

Spit out the propaganda and GTFO -_-

According to Marxism and Leninism, which pretty much all communist countries follow to a certain extent, capitalism exploits the working class and the greed of the general public.


That's not really true..
Drace
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And also, in the past, you only had these opportunities if you were accepted into the Communist Party, If you weren't, you were not counted as a &quoterson" recognized by the government.


That's not true either...
shadowfyre541
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Nobody can be equal with even 1 other person, much less everyone, unless we were all mindless zombies!! Therefore, government propaganda. But is propaganda really effective enough to case the general masses to actually believe in the brutal enforcement of those so-called utopian ideals, when in fact it makes it worse? I don't think so.

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