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Nurvana
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Should people get an excess amount of points for starting threads? And before some mod comes and locks it because it'll cause spam, can't yo simply give warnings if people start making random threads for points?

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Zophia
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Not really any point to it.

Other than "slight encouragement to make threads" there are no advantages. Thread creation should not need encouragement - if there is a subject you wish to create a thread about, you can just do it.

Extra points for a good opening post wouldn't work either. Just like we don't give out merits for awesome posts in threads, it would be a problem to go around and awarding points for (subjectively) good threads.

So no. You get your "one post in the forum = 1 AP", whether that post is the first in a new thread or a new one in an existing thread.

The problem that could arise with this suggestion, btw, would be the nubs who realize that, hey, there's more points to earn from creating a thread than making a comment - let's make a lot of threads!
Sure, we can clean such spam up. But why give the incentive to spam like that in the first place?

Nurvana
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There's so much spam on this site in the first place, it's like saying, "sure they're killing that man over there, but that person is littering! Let's arrest him!" as for motivation, that's not the reason for it. For, are we not encouraged to leave long comments for the sole purpose of meritation? Therefore, like merits, we can reward thread makers as we reward people with long comments.

knight_34
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Why is this being considered?

You don't give out rewards for simply making threads. You just don't do that. These are forums, people.

Zophia
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1) Saying there is already a lot of spam is not a valid reason to say we should give more incentive to mass post for points. And yes, it would be one, even if not intended to be.

2) If it isn't for motivation, it's just even more pointless.

3) Merits are not awarded in the forums. No matter how awesome a post you make, you will not be getting a merit for it. No matter if it's a new thread or a regular post. Merits are a reward given to certain game reviews.

4)

Therefore, like merits, we can reward thread makers as we reward people with long comments.
Merits are not given out automatically. If this was to function in a similar way, as a reward for participating in a good way... Mods would have to be on the lookout for threads deserving of the reward.
Unlike with game reviews, there's not really any standards for what really constitutes a good thread. It might be possible to work out some form of guideline, but why bother? We do not need any more ways to earn AP.

If, as you say, this isn't meant to be an encouragement towards creating more threads, then is it not purely just an additional way to gain AP? While not an inherently bad suggestion, it's one I feel pretty confident saying "Just no." to...
Zophia
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Oh, and:

are we not encouraged to leave long comments for the sole purpose of meritation?
No.

Merits are given out as a reward for a well thought-out game review. You are never writing a merit worthy comment. You are writing what you consider a good review and hoping a moderator sees it, agrees that it is a good review, and reward you with a merit.

And quality is much more important than length.
ColdSword
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What does AP stand for? Also i agree with zophia why bother by forming a guideline... I think that the occasional merit should be handed out in the forums, but i can also see why they are only in the website for many non-members go there and play games.

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To cut this discussion rather short: If you suggest something that will give just a tiny bit more work to do, mods will shoot it down. We are lazy, and have exams, relationships, work and a lot of real life to work with, and having to listen to kids going "The Tavern is filled with spam threeeeaaaads!" or "Why don't the mods clean the forums any more" or even "Which is best, coke or pepsi" is not our idea of jolly fun.

Also: Common suggestions: "Do NOT suggest new ways to gain AP".

Gametesta
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Well a generalization would be that getting more points for starting a thread would make more repeat threads and more spam.

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bgerm52
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We already get enough repeat threads this will just cause so many more. Bad Idea.

Nurvana
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Dear Lord almighty it was just a suggestion people.

1) Saying there is already a lot of spam is not a valid reason to say we should give more incentive to mass post for points. And yes, it would be one, even if not intended to be.


I didn't say that. I said saying there would be spam is no reason to down something.
Merits are not given out automatically. If this was to function in a similar way, as a reward for participating in a good way... Mods would have to be on the lookout for threads deserving of the reward.
Unlike with game reviews, there's not really any standards for what really constitutes a good thread. It might be possible to work out some form of guideline, but why bother? We do not need any more ways to earn AP.


If you don't think that a moderator hasn't seen a long comment on a game, read the first few sentences, and gave it a merit, you are sorely mistaken.
No.

Merits are given out as a reward for a well thought-out game review. You are never writing a merit worthy comment. You are writing what you consider a good review and hoping a moderator sees it, agrees that it is a good review, and reward you with a merit.

And quality is much more important than length.


Agreed I worded it wrong.
What does AP stand for? Also i agree with zophia why bother by forming a guideline... I think that the occasional merit should be handed out in the forums, but i can also see why they are only in the website for many non-members go there and play games.


Um how about get more than you know... 5 posts before you talk about AP... which you don't even know what it is.
To cut this discussion rather short: If you suggest something that will give just a tiny bit more work to do, mods will shoot it down. We are lazy, and have exams, relationships, work and a lot of real life to work with, and having to listen to kids going "The Tavern is filled with spam threeeeaaaads!" or "Why don't the mods clean the forums any more" or even "Which is best, coke or pepsi" is not our idea of jolly fun.

Also: Common suggestions: "Do NOT suggest new ways to gain AP".


Two mods? Jeebus. Anyway, well if you are in relationships (Sure) have jobs (Sure) and have lives (Sure) then what are you doing here? Just because you apparently can't control the forums doesn't mean a forum idea is bad.

Look at it this way: Do you get two points for making a game? No. You you get more points for making a game than for commenting on one.
Zophia
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Dear Lord almighty it was just a suggestion people.
'S cool, we like suggestions. We just like tearing them apart too. :P Or is that just me?

I didn't say that. I said saying there would be spam is no reason to down something.
This is a reasonable point, however, more spam means more that we need to hunt down and delete. If we were more mods or more efficient, it would be a lot less of a point against suggestions like this. However, more work + basically no actual gain from the suggestion... Yeah, uhm.
It's just another way to gain AP, but it could cause a lot of useless mess in the forums, and a lot of unnecessary work for the mods. Given that "new ways to gain AP" are in the List of Common Suggestions as something we really don't need to see more of... Well...

If you don't think that a moderator hasn't seen a long comment on a game, read the first few sentences, and gave it a merit, you are sorely mistaken.
If any of us have actually done so, whoever has been doing it very wrong. It may be that the standards just vary some, but if you seriously think a merit has been given out on such loose grounds, I wouldn't mind a link to it for further "investigation" (not really as serious as investigation, but words).

Two mods? Jeebus. Anyway, well if you are in relationships (Sure) have jobs (Sure) and have lives (Sure) then what are you doing here?
Lol. Just like a the majority of the users we come on here when we're not busy with real life. The time that this is varies from mod to mod - Asherlee has a lot of work hours and can only get on every so often, Cenere has just had a bunch of exams and papers that needs writing, Strop is very busy doing his "ninja business" and whatever else it is he actually has to do to become a doctor. I've been away, busy with scraping money together to get to keep my apartment and finding something to do to keep an income. We all have some form of life outside the internet.

What we are doing here is voluntary work for the site. We do not get payed anything. We are spending our free time voluntarily dealing with spam and questions and whatnot. We have a limited selection of tools that we have been entrusted with. We're here to help keep the site running smoothly, cleanly, and with a minimum of confused users.

Totally forgot if I was going somewhere with that.

Just because you apparently can't control the forums doesn't mean a forum idea is bad.
It's not that we can't. If someone starts creating a bunch of spam threads, we can just go delete them all. However, that's a bunch of time wasted. Why waste that time?

Look at it this way: Do you get two points for making a game? No. You you get more points for making a game than for commenting on one.
I'm assuming you're comparing this to "Make a thread vs. Comment on a thread" - however, it's not a fair comparison.

Creating a game requires a LOT of work, ideas, coding, drawing, writing... Ton of work. Actually the 20 AP is a rather silly amount to award for all that, but the general impression is that the game developers do not care about these points anyway. They want their games played.
Commenting on a game requires nothing more than the ability to press keys on a keyboard, not necessarily in a coherent matter (although a comment is a lot less likely to be deleted if it's actually showing the commenter played the game before writing anything).

Creating a thread, however, requires absolutely nothing more than replying to a thread does. Well, except for knowing where the "New Thread" button is.
manny6574
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[quote]Look at it this way: Do you get two points for making a game? No. You you get more points for making a game than for commenting on one.


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Creating a game requires a LOT of work, ideas, coding, drawing, writing... Ton of work. Actually the 20 AP is a rather silly amount to award for all that, but the general impression is that the game developers do not care about these points anyway. They want their games played.
Commenting on a game requires nothing more than the ability to press keys on a keyboard, not necessarily in a coherent matter (although a comment is a lot less likely to be deleted if it's actually showing the commenter played the game before writing anything).[/quote]



I agree with that. It takes really loads of work and patience. Mainly the coding and the art, but also the planning/design bit. It is nowhere near easy. It's not really fun, making a game, but it's just that I like it.

I think that 20AP for a game is good, and really, comparing commenting on a game vs making a game, it's just silly.
wipe42
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Um how about get more than you know... 5 posts before you talk about AP... which you don't even know what it is.


He asked what it ws. You didn't have to be mean about it.

What does AP stand for? Also i agree with zophia why bother by forming a guideline... I think that the occasional merit should be handed out in the forums, but i can also see why they are only in the website for many non-members go there and play games


AP stands for Armor Points and are given to you when you do the following:

A) Post a comment on either another users profiel or to a game. 2 AP
B) Rate a game which you can do right about the comment section. 2 AP I think.
C) By posting in the forums. Now I don't you get points for the OP (Original Post). 1 Ap
D) Submitting Games which will get you about 20 AP.
E) Earning a merit which only happens in the games comments. 25 AP

Also: Common suggestions: "Do NOT suggest new ways to gain AP".


Agreed. If you Admins, Mods, and Dan wanted to create a new way to make AP then I hope you would let us users in on it before hand so we could discuss.

'S cool, we like suggestions. We just like tearing them apart too. :P Or is that just me?


You Mods just keep getting more and more mysterious...

So I think that the set up is good the way they have it and if changes were made to the current site then they should be small. It would ruin the whole Armor Games feel. I hate it when site make a huge change suddenly and then you don;t know what to do.

Yes I am patiently waiting for AG 3.0, and no I do not, not want it to come out.
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I truly think there should be no points for starting a thread. I see a lot of useless threads here and there. Some users will keep on spamming. That will be really difficult to control. Moreover, some users make multiple threads on same topic. Like games. I see that a lot of games have multiple threads about them. Users will make more threads about games(walkthroughs or flash) and it will really be difficult for others to find the right one.

bulliedkid
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What do points get you?

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