What do you think about this? I feel that it should not be built at ground zero because I find that extremely disrespectful to the families and victims of that infamous day.
I know enough about the subject, but trust me with 5 languages juggling around my mind and the fact that it is past midnight here I get tired and that leads to me writing some things that are wrong sometimes. I love debating and I will continue and I hope that you understand this and will continue arguing with me. It's fun and to a certain extent very educative for both sides. And about the insults, sorry, I don't know why but sometimes it feels necessary to pop one into the conversation, you know what I mean.
Excuses. Please don't make them.
Anyways, this conversation seems a bit over. I was actually hoping to get into it. Darn.
Since the immense majority of Muslims ( I can confidently say over 99.9% ) are not terrorists or do not in any way want to harm others
Alright, let's do some math here. You're good at math, are you not?
If you take .1% of the 1.5 Billion Islamic practitioners on this planet, you are left with 15,000,000 people who are, and can be, terrorists. To put that in perspective, this army is larger than nearly every city on earth, and is bigger than quite a few US States. This number also happens to be about half the population of Canada. So, if all of these terrorists blew up something on one day, they would probably kill off half the western world.
So, before you say that this is not a threat, please use math.
Americans should not interpret this to be disrespectful, but rather a sign of Diversity over a great and sorrowful action made by those who live to hate.
See above. This is a sign of disrespectfulness, as they plan to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. Is this disrespectful? I think so. They could open it on any day of 365, on any year for eternity after 2011, but they choose that one day? They had a selection of 364 days that were not disrespectful, but they choose September 11th. Is this coincidence? I think not.
Let them build it and find inner peace in their religion, if that is what they wish to do.
Which they won't. 15 million is an awful big number. If I had a dollar for all the Islamic terrorists in the world, I'd be set for life.
Remember, these are people who blow themselves up. They do not care what you think, they'll still cut your balls off and laugh.
OT: If the people vote yes, let them do it. A mosque can only bring Peace and Love.
If interpreted correctly, of course. I have seen that people often love to misinterpret things and take them the wrong way just so they can have something to be mad about.
Which they won't. 15 million is an awful big number. If I had a dollar for all the Islamic terrorists in the world, I'd be set for life.
Remember, these are people who blow themselves up. They do not care what you think, they'll still cut your balls off and laugh.
If I had a Euro for every racist american I'd be set for life too, what's your point?
See above. This is a sign of disrespectfulness, as they plan to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. Is this disrespectful? I think so. They could open it on any day of 365, on any year for eternity after 2011, but they choose that one day? They had a selection of 364 days that were not disrespectful, but they choose September 11th. Is this coincidence? I think not.
I think the whole world has realised that this isn't a coincidence, kind of obvious. As to my comment, it is not at all disrespectful. Muslims want peace (Muslims not Jihad Extremists) and they deserve to build their effigy wherever they wish to as long as it is okay with the inhabitans of the area. I am starting to have doubts about your position on racism against other religions.
[quote] Americans should not interpret this to be disrespectful, but rather a sign of Diversity over a great and sorrowful action made by those who live to hate.
See above. This is a sign of disrespectfulness, as they plan to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. Is this disrespectful? I think so. They could open it on any day of 365, on any year for eternity after 2011, but they choose that one day? They had a selection of 364 days that were not disrespectful, but they choose September 11th. Is this coincidence? I think not.[/quote]
Like I said, try to see it the way they do. Have some perspective. It seems like you are trying to say that they are purposefully trying to offend us, does that make any sense?
If I were muslim I would be REALLY DEEPLY hurt (emotionally, let's get this literal form thing right this time by your comments though, kind of how I was when you talked about my country =/
How were any of my comments in any way hurtful? And where did I say anything about your country that was not fact? (For those of you reading this that don't get it, read the thread about TURKIYE/TURKEY)If you are emotionally hurt by facts then perhaps you really need to take a look at why that is. Facts are not directed at emotions, they are simply the facts. If you don't want to hear the facts then the internet probably isn't the best place for you.
I am simply trying to show why it would not be seen as disrespectful from a non-terrorist Muslim's point of view.
That's fine. I am not saying they find it disrespectful from their point of view alone. What I am saying is that when you want to do something like this you must take into account other people's perception and when you do that you realize that it is going to offend some people. If your goal is apologetic in nature you tend to avoid offending the very people you need to apologize to.
See above. This is a sign of disrespectfulness, as they plan to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. Is this disrespectful? I think so. They could open it on any day of 365, on any year for eternity after 2011, but they choose that one day? They had a selection of 364 days that were not disrespectful, but they choose September 11th. Is this coincidence? I think not.
This. Exactly. Also, they have the entire city of New York to build this mosque, but they chose this one spot too. Think about it. How is a non muslim or someone who lost a loved one in the attack going to interpret this. I understand some people are just stupid, but you have to be a special kind of dumb to not realize that this is very offensive.
I personally don't think they should build the Mosque there, it's just too much to ask. But take their message to heart, they're not trying to be offensive or disrespectful, just understanding.
If I had a Euro for every racist american I'd be set for life too, what's your point?
My point wasn't money, the point was there are a crapload of terrorists, who want to kill your defending a**. You can defend them all you want, they'll still kill you.
I think the whole world has realised that this isn't a coincidence, kind of obvious. As to my comment, it is not at all disrespectful. Muslims want peace (Muslims not Jihad Extremists) and they deserve to build their effigy wherever they wish to as long as it is okay with the inhabitans of the area.
You were not being disrespectful. Kind of annoying, but we're all annoying.
Also, OF COURSE THEY WANT PEACE. But the fact remains that 15 MILLION people want to kill you. This is a problem, it must be corrected. Doing nothing isn't going to keep 15 million people from blowing us up. They don't like us. You're a European, are you not? You do not live in a place that regularly sees missiles fly from the sky, or a place that has the threat of mass murder every waking moment. These Muslims that hate us, hate Israel, hate everywhere else that isn't a fanatical state, are not around to peacefully convert. They are around to kill us. Kill us all. I don't see why you can't accept this.
I am starting to have doubts about your position on racism against other religions.
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First of all, I'm not racist. Secondly, I'm not racist against Muslims. Diversity is awesome, I like it. What else do I not like? When people want to kill me. Fanatical Muslims (i.e. the ones that want to kill me, and the rest of my 300 million fellow Americans, combined with all the Europeans and Jews, and pretty much anyone they don't like, not the ones that are cool and don't have fantasies about blowing me up), must be eliminated, by all means necessary to make sure they don't kill us.
So, before calling me a racist, which I am honestly quite offended by, please learn a bit about me. I know Muslims, and I know the cool kind, they're like normal people. But extremists are not like these normal people, okay?
Like I said, try to see it the way they do. Have some perspective. It seems like you are trying to say that they are purposefully trying to offend us, does that make any sense?
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I truly think that this thread is based purely on perspective. As a person who has both lived as a Muslim and as a Western World Atheist I can say thi:
The act is not disrespectful of nature, but is obviously being interpreted so by you people. However, unless you have relatives who died in that incident or any other Jihad terrorist related attack then you have no say in this decision.
If anyone else here has been both a Muslim and a part of the Western world. Please step up and argue my point. Otherwise stop the arguing because this is the only thing that will give the right answer, a perspective open to others.
But the fact remains that 15 MILLION people want to kill you.
Actually it's closer to 150 million, with another 150 million supporting the efforts of the fundamentalist jihadists. That makes 300 million, or nearly the population of the United States. I don't know about you, but that concerns me. A lot.
They are around to kill us. Kill us all. I don't see why you can't accept this.
I am not American, I have nothing to accept in that issue.
Doing nothing isn't going to keep 15 million people from blowing us up.
I didn't say do nothing, I said do it peacefully, without racism.
These Muslims that hate us, hate Israel, hate everywhere else that isn't a fanatical state, are not around to peacefully convert. They are around to kill us. Kill us all. I don't see why you can't accept this.
These are not Muslims, they are extremists. Please learn the difference or stop commenting.
These are not Muslims, they are extremists. Please learn the difference or stop commenting.
These are fundamentalist Muslims. They follow the Qu'ran literally and worship Allah and believe that Muhammad was is one true prophet. I'd say that makes them Muslims.
I am not American, I have nothing to accept in that issue.
Hahaha. Very funny.
By the way, judging by how you said you were Muslim then Atheist, they want to kill you. Actually says explicitly in the Koran.
I didn't say do nothing, I said do it peacefully, without racism.
We do do it without racism. It's called track them, kill them. Considering we haven't been successfully attacked it nearly ten years, it's working.
These are not Muslims, they are extremists. Please learn the difference or stop commenting.
Okay, your ignorance is really starting to bug me. I'm trying to be reasonable, describing the difference, even saying that I have no hatred of normal Muslims, and you keep telling me to learn the difference. In an attempt to maintain civility, and try to think that you aren't trolling, I'll say this:
I know the difference between Muslims and Radical Islamic terrorists. I know that Muslims do not want to kill me, I know that radical Islamic terrorists do. This is not very hard to grasp.
The act is not disrespectful of nature, but is obviously being interpreted so by you people. However, unless you have relatives who died in that incident or any other Jihad terrorist related attack then you have no say in this decision.
Yes, it is. September 11th, 2001, nearly a dozen terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania, killing 2700 people.
September 11th, 2011. Ten years after the tragic events of that day, a Mosque is opened not five blocks from ground zero.
These are fundamentalist Muslims. They follow the Qu'ran literally and worship Allah and believe that Muhammad was is one true prophet. I'd say that makes them Muslims.
Well, I guess you're right about that, I guess we have different names for them so idiots can tell the difference ... Wait, scratch that, we have different names for them because Extremists are Muslims but Muslims are not Extremists, kind of like squares and rectangles. Yeah, that sounds better.
Also, when are these people going to realize that this place is for open-mindedness and friendly debate, whether we agree with each other or not.
Also, when are these people going to realize that this place is for open-mindedness and friendly debate, whether we agree with each other or not.
I am trying to debate in a friendly way for a cause that doesn't even concern me.
Yes, it is. September 11th, 2001, nearly a dozen terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania, killing 2700 people.
September 11th, 2011. Ten years after the tragic events of that day, a Mosque is opened not five blocks from ground zero.
Read back on my post about perspective, you are still missing the point of it.
Hahaha. Very funny.
I wasn't trying to be humoristic in the slightest?
I know the difference between Muslims and Radical Islamic terrorists. I know that Muslims do not want to kill me, I know that radical Islamic terrorists do. This is not very hard to grasp.
Thank-you, I was just having doubts about your understanding on this.
GOOD LUCK KILLING THOSE SON OF A BITCH MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY GOOD NIGHT LADIES AND GENTS
