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A question I notice doesn't get enough attention (perhaps for a lack of answer); how did we get here? I know the religious reason, God and Eden and all that jazz. But for the non believers, any explanation? Should make for some interesting debate.

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Let's see - way back was the Big Bang then a bunch of shizz happened, there was some basic life in the form of single-celled organisms, then these begin to change over time leading to more complex life-forms and then some more Evolution then kapow - here we are.

That's so overly-simplified i'm sure even those of you with little brains AKA Creationists can understand it.

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That's so overly-simplified i'm sure even those of you with little brains AKA Creationists can understand it.


Nope you used the word evolution, that's four whole syllables.
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Adam and eve never happened.

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Avorne... Explain the big bang please.

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Nope you used the word evolution, that's four whole syllables.


ROFL!

well, here is the idea of the 'big bang', elaborated by meh myself and i.

in the beginning, there was one incredibly dense ball, so dense that ALL the matter in the universe was in this ball. it is impossible to determine a size to this ball!

then this ball went BOOM! everything went flyuing all over the place, and their was death, blood, destruction and EXPLOSIONS!!! < ( /sarcasm) everything went flying all over the place, and you have one big expanding cloud of gasses and matter. all of this, obeying the laws of physics, evnetually became atrracted to itself and became nebulas, or a cloud of gas/debri! woa!

again obeying the laws of physics that everything is attracted to everything else, these would eventually become more compact and form solar sytem- sized nebulas, and these would form a solar sytem! i know, impossible , isn't it? (/sarcasm) after this, the debri began forming planets, asteroids, and stars, with the planets, gaining enough gravitational pull, became attracted to itself and became round! wow, thats why the earth is round!
now you see, not everything in the planets was a solid, so any leftover gasses formed an 'atmosphere'. made by it' own force, lots and lots of kinetic force made volcanoes and lava, which spewed more gas into the air, eventually forming a stable atmophere. where did the water come from? in addition to what was already there, it is also belived that comets greatly contributed to the formation of water on the earth. and in this water the very first life forms, the location still up to debate, and with lots and lots fo evolution and extinctions, here we all sit wandering about what happened!

btw i am not a creationist.
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Avorne... Explain the big bang please.


I can do that.

There are several theories. One being that the singularity couldn't contain itself and then exploded. The singularity being our universe infinitely small, before it went boom.

But that makes no sense, does it? It leaves many questions unanswered.

So I heard of another theory on one of them shows (I think it was Stephen Hawking's show).

What happens is that when the universe can contain itself no longer from the massive expansion, it collapses. Literally, one big a** nuclear implosion. In the process all the energy is compacted into matter again, and falls to where it can no longer sustain itself. Then boom. Big bang, all over again.

Running this theory, it creates an infinite loop.

Anyhow, that's how I believe the universe started. As for people, we were evolved over time. The first creatures were small, single celled organisms with nothing but amino acids and a hunger for rocks keeping them together. They helped create our planet as we know it, converting CO2 and Methane to oxygen and nitrogen, the vital components to animal and plant life.
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Ok but you have to start out with 2 assumptions. That the laws of physics are the same everywhere in the Universe and that on a sufficiently large scale the Universe is homogeneous and isotropic. We don't know how exactly the Big Bang happened and perhaps never will BUT we have evidence for it - including:
1. The universe is expanding outwards
2. Cosmic microwave background radiation would seem to support the Big Bang
3. The abundance of light chemical elements - if the Big Bang happened then the formation of atoms would favour lighter elements because they're simpler. We would see a large percentage of Hydrogen and some Helium. As observed, the composition of the matter in the universe is basically 74% hydrogen and 24% helium.
4. Galactic morphology and distribution points towards the Big Bang over previous theories as we can see images which correspond with our knowledge of the Big Bang model.

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The universe.
Starting from a singularity that expanded some 13.7 billion years ago. (we don't know for sure where this singularity came from or even if it always existed) But it's expansion resulted in the universe. The matter in this new universe is simple but as it condenses into primitive stars resulting in an environment that allows that simple matter to form more complex bonds. This new more complex form of matter is then expelled as the star dies.

Now we fast forward some 9 billion years give or take. The Earth at this point has just formed as a result of gravitation forces being exerted on it from the sun. The Earth has many chemicals that are capable of forming into self replicating molecules. It also has an environment well suited for such a chemical interaction to take place.

Each time these self replicating molecules replicate the process is imperfect So changes accrue from one generation to the next, sometimes adding new information. Most of the time those changes do nothing. Sometimes they are harmful and those with such a change don't usually make it. But sometimes the change is beneficial, and since it's beneficial those will be more likely to continue on. Sometimes what once was beneficial is no longer beneficial and what was harmful becomes beneficial as the environment changes. Repeat this process for roughly the next 4 billion years or so and you end up with a human.

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Wait wouldn't the planets or stuff keep flying? I thought bangs caused a wave effect. Shouldn't there be massive wind speeds? Slowing down wouldn't apply here because there is no gravity to stop it, nor friction.


the universe is still expanding, causing this. and because there is no gravity, matter, or anything in space then the laws of physics on earth can't be applied. it will eventually become attracted to itself and form groups, though still moving outward
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Wait wouldn't the planets or stuff keep flying? I thought bangs caused a wave effect. Shouldn't there be massive wind speeds? Slowing down wouldn't apply here because there is no gravity to stop it, nor friction.


It was more of an expansion then an explosion. Also no air in space so no wind speeds in space. But if you ever managed to get yourself into space please feel free to test that theory. There is gravity though. In fact gravity separating from the other four forces is one theory on how the Big Bang happened in the first place.
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Starting from a singularity that expanded some 13.7 billion years ago. (we don't know for sure where this singularity came from or even if it always existed)


I think this is an important question that needs an answer. Where did the singularity come from?
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Ooh! Ooh! Space? Wait, I thought it was multiple things that collided, though...


Where did God come from? Oh he always existed so then space always existed? Oh, no it couldn't have? Okay.
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Where did God come from? Oh he always existed so then space always existed? Oh, no it couldn't have? Okay.


I'm confused. Were you refuting something I said?
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I'm confused. Were you refuting something I said?


If God has always existed then why can't I simply say that matter has always existed?
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